Does anyone know what happened to Guadalupe??

[Pompal 09.]

Melonbag! I kinda knew you lurked here, but didn't know you were a member? Melonbag is one of my favorite posters, except I wish he would express his true feeling more, and not be concerned about hurting others feelings. I hope he posts here sometimes, and lets it all hang out, like he kinda does on his blog.

Metal, nice picture of Guadalupe, It's one of the best I have seen of her, as I seen many, but only from a few posters. I guess I'm the only one who hasn't fucked her yet?

Sampson I thought you said this thread should be about Guadalupe only? instead you made it a small primer of padrote/pimp behavior, not that I mind, as I love talking about padrotes/pimps and the way they try to control the women. But Sampson you seem to have a tendency to candy coat things when talking about pimps. For example you talk about how much in love the putas/hoes have for pimps/padrotes, and I'm sure some do have love especially if they are going to stay with them that long.......BUT what about FEAR the girls have of pimps, fear they will get their ass kicked! Fear they will be tossed out in the street and unable to fend for themselves, fear of getting the living shit beat out of them. Oh I already said that one.

Or maybe pimps/padrotes are like the witches from the 'Wizard of OZ, where there are good beautiful witches, and bad ugly witches, maybe we also have good padrote/pimps, and bad padrote/pimps?

 

[Cracker]

I saw her working this weekend. Nice smile as always.

 

[candy]

A sweet soul. I thught she was always a top business woman in the Zona. Nice person. Here is one of my spy pics I took a few years back...

\m/

 

[catx]

Let me try to set the record straight...we don't want Fireballs telling us about a "Padrote woth his salt"

This should be about Guadalupe, who I am sure will be back, but I don't know her or him....so this is not inside info.

Some people think that a chica can only do certain things like go to certain hotels, can't do overnights, etc. because of the Padrote. Each Padrote is different, but they all want total control. Most chicas have mad love for their Padrote to the point of doing things that don't make sense to their clients.

Ex A: Street girl does an overnight at Pueblo Amigo
Street girl makes up excuse why she cannot

Both can have a padrote. In the first case, she may have so much love for her man, that she wants to earn everything she can for him, so she does the overnight date.....but she has been coached

Second case: She may have a padrote, but has so much love and distrust that she is afraid to do an over night date as he might sleep with another chica. In this case she does not run home and say, "P I could have done an over nighter, but I turned it down." She figures he won't know, and she is probably right.


One thing for sure is if I go talk to a chica about working as an escort, and she is excited, asking questions, and full of life....then the next day, she turns her back to me and won't make eye contact....it is because she is folllowing the instructions of her padrote....Believe me, he tells her don't look in his eyes, and don't talk to him. Now some will offer other excuses, but I have been working in this business since 1984 and I do know what is going on. Do I know everything, HELL NO.

I have spent so much time in the Zona Norte(I don't spend any time any more) that I am much more aware of what is happening. I have sat in the office with managers and watched them pay fichas at 5 or 6 am and see what is really going on....seen the hoes line up with the waiters and hit the pipe when the doors are closed...see who is with who and understand the tendencies of the chicas....and the games they play with the clients and how the meseros help.

I can't name 10 chicas in the bars right now(well I probably could), but the game hasn't changed, just the players.

Everyone can draw their own conclusions, but please be skeptical of anyone that "knows" something because he asked the chica and she wouldn't lie to him.

 

[laytonbensingerjr]

The person dropping her off could possibly be her BF or a relative??
I heard about the whole AB and Chicago thing, I can only surmise that she wanted to work her own hours and they probably dont put up with that at AB or Chicago........Again.....I havent seen her and I have been down almost every week or every other week this summer. I was not there 4 months ago so maybe she was there. If anyone has seen her or knows where she working please send me a PM.

 

[Pompal 09.]

I'm just wondering then who is Guadalupe's padrote, the 45 year old pot bellied guy that some SG told Kingtijuanero about or the guy in the red car that looks like he stands in front of Home Depot who Silver witnessed dropping off Guadalupe, as I know the information they have about Guadalupe is second hand info, or conjecture people extrapolated from seeing her get in or out of a car. Or maybe she has two padrotes? LOL

Of course I don't know, but here are some of the things that make me wonder if Guadalupe has a padrote or not:

She seems to come and go as she liked. She has told others she doesn't like the cold, and leaves TJ and comes back when it gets warmer. No pimp worth his salt is going to allow some prostitute to dictate their work conditions, she is suppose to work up to 12 hours a day 7 days a week in any weather while her padrote stays home and counts the money and occasionally checks on his meal ticket and if she is in her working spot.

Guadalupe has been known to go with other guys to their motels. A good padrote isn't suppose to really allow that as he needs to know where she is at all times, especially the money, and he doesn't want her to get too close to the customers.

Guadalupe I believed has tried working unsuccessfully at Adelitas or maybe the Chicago club, but it just didn't work out for some reason. Again, no padrote allows his property to work in bars, as there is too much influence from meseros, customers, and other girls who could turn her against the padrote, according to Sampson, yet Guadalupe was trying to make a go of it in a club which is against Mexican pimp law!

What I'm staring to think is that Americans don't understand all the dynamics of some parts of Mexican culture, and if they see a prostitute with a man, they automatically assume he must be a padrote or pimp. It could very well be that these guys people see Guadalupe with is a real husband or boyfriend. In Mexico if people are hurting for money, some girls will just about do anything to feed the family and that includes selling her body, sometimes the men in their lives have no choice but to go along with it, or maybe they never find out what their wife is doing in her after hours. Or perhaps, Guadalupe was only getting a ride from these different guys?

 

[albertoch94]

I would guess that I have seen her within the last 4 months when driving by her post.

There is alot more to the story than can be found on internet message boards, but without a doubt she has a padrote that is "driving her life".

I have never said anything other than Hola to her, and am sure she is a really nice young lady.

 

[yahoo-userx]

I havent seen her in years. There is a gal standing where she usually works with an umbrella, but it is not her. I thought I saw a mirage......She was the best SG ever and I must have fucked her at least 30-40 times until I broke up with my girlfirend and then I stopped mongering for a year. When I came back the first gal I fucked was Guadalupe and she even remembered me.....She asked me where I have been, Mucho Trabajo?.....I just lied and said Si.........She treated her customers well and she truly enjoyed her job which is RARE in this business. I hope she was able to retire and acheive her goals........Best Wishes Guadalupe.
Whoever she is with is a lucky guy and she could write a book on how to please a man......

 

[shadowweavers]

There is a lot of information about Guadalupe on different sites. It's a real shame I never fucked her and found out for myself what all the fuss is. If I have time I'll talk a little about this guy Silver who I never met but had lot of respect for because of his writings. I once considered him the 'Jane Goodall of the SG world, as he studies them like Goodall studied chimpanzees. But later I come to have problems with his methodology and conclusions. But I'll have to leave that to my next post, here is some background info on Guadalupe and those that love her............will get to the Jane Goodall of the SG world Silver later where I'll expose some of the problems I had with him.

Here is some stuff from other sites, it starts with Maddog, a guy who fucked Lupe just about more then any other guy and got really close to her, as he claims he is not in love with her.

Maddog wrote:

Here is the so-called proof that Lupe has a padrote as she is spotted in a red car: ( Real scientific!) I'm inclined to believe Maddog's conversation with Guadalupe, then guys who spotted her in a red car and what others said about her?

Silver wrote:

Here is our own Kingtijanero who got some information himself on Guadalupe, but Silver says it's only second hand information.



Even Sampson writes about Guadalupe:




Here is Silver again telling our boys they don't know what they are talking about as they only have second hand information.


Silver writes;

So who do you guys believe? Do you think it's a fact that Guadalupe the queen of SG's has a Padrote? I myself don't know, as I haven't even fucked her, damn I'm just going to have to fuck her, and forget this respect thing I have for Maddog, but I doubt she has a handler after nearly 10 years of being an SG?

 

[kylerdavidson1994]

Silver is a guy that spent way too much time figuring out all the ins and outs of the alley chicas. He tried really hard to marry a chica...and actually had her living with him for awhile...I know at one point she went back to the padrote....not sure what his situation is now...I think he is in Vegas, but he could tell you the story on every chica in the alley.

Unlike most, he didn't rely on the chicas to tell him. He knows good and well they are going to lie about their personal life. Sometimes chicas would give him info, street people would give him info, bar managers would give him info and then he would verify it.

I don't really give a shit about street girls, but he can tell you the name of the padrote, where they live, what he drives, etc.

I am good friends with Abraham, who once owend a hot dog cart by BT..later worked and managed many Coahuila bars, and is now in Colima. When he manged Caphichas (or however you spell it) he could do the same...even tell you which chicas were snitches, etc.

 

[keani]

who is silver? I saw Guadalupe around JUne 2 on a Saturday at her daytime spot,near the pOlicia station.

 

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It is well known that she has a padrote...

Talk to Silver who knows every frickin' thing about every street girl. I am sure she is standing somewhere in Mexico this very minute with her umbrella selling her favors.

 

[1ofdbest]

Who are you talking about Sampson? The famed Maddog who use to write, take pictures, and seemed to be in love with Guadalupe? I never had a session with Guadalupe in part out of respect for Maddog, and besides I usually don't do daytime SGs, as I usually do my mongering at night.

If your talking about a padrote I highly doubt that someone who has been in business that many years who still have a padrote/pimp? These girl usually finally wise up in a few years, and if she has a man, it's probably a real lover or husband, as Guadalupe has been said to come and go as she likes all the time.

I realized some people have witnessed her getting out of a car from a man, but that doesn't automatically mean she has a padrote as many people believe?

 

[STILL 49 to go!]

She is probably working another city right now. I don't think she is close to retiring as her man is still getting pretty good dough. When she starts bringing back less than $100 per day, then he will consider retiring her.

 

[Hossam]

Just wondering if anyone knows where she went.....My guess is she probably retired and went home........unfortunate for us mongers because she was legendary......