Does anyone know what happened to Guadalupe??

[Chris L]

FB: I see prices are really having the tendency of going up at the TJ zona.
More than when we started these comments a few months ago.
More noticable then before.

Let me point out that by 2008 gasoline prices are going up in Mexico.
That means transportatation costs for the girls (buses, cars, taxis) will be higher. Inderectly: food, electricity... which means a deeper cut into their economy..
By January 2008 you can really expect higher prices from the girls.

 

[EatDaCakeAnnieMay!]

Fireballs, it has been over a year since visiting the zona, what are they charging these days during the week at HK? For the past six years been tooked on the putas down there, most of them are worth every peso, in my book. Enjoy the company of young sweet ladies.

 

[sanju]

After I did Guadalupe and reported it here, I also did another chica but didn't report it here. Here is what happened on that day trip, and it wasn't too good, as I had a rare sorta bad experience. What happened I let my guard down, and didn't look for the things that make a good session. It might be the topic of the next subject I pick: " What do you look for when picking a chica in the bar or even the streets?"

I'm bringing it up because I recently been back to Bar Tropical and went back to my basic things I look for, and just had a fantastic time with a little dark head beauty, but I won't write about her, not yet anyway, but she had most of the things I look for for an GFE experience, and she could become one of my favorites, that makes things like paying for 'escorts' or doing the same girl over and over again not needed if you want 'GFE" service for a good price.

Here is my other story from a few weeks ago it wasn't very good except for Lupe:
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What the hell is gong on in Bar Tropical? I made a rare afternoon appearance in this bar yesterday, as I'm usually a nite monger going out very late at night. I was sure glad I didn't see any group of guys holding court here and stinking up the place.

So I pick this innocent looking skinny chica smoking and looking a little uncomfortable and nervous. I didn't see anybody else I wanted so I call her over, so I call her little skinny young ass over to me and buy her a drink. I find out she is only 19 and been working there a few months, she doesn't like it, big surprise. She barely talks, but gives me a shy smile once in awhle, but I'm getting turned on to her innocent charm, and after all I'm in Tropical day-shift. So I cut the almost non existent small talk and tell her I want to take her upstairs. She gives me this bored look and says ok, $70 dollars!

I say what $70 dollars? This is day shift and rarely if ever do I ever pay over $60 at nights. So I tell her that's too much, that I never pay over $60, but she won't budge. Really I don't care about the money but if they don't bargain I just think they really aren't interested in fucking and just making giving themselves excuses not to fuck. Then she finally says wait here and I'll get my things, and we go to the room and she demand $70 dollars, and I told her I don't pay upfront and I thought you settled for $60 and she said she didn't. She already told me she doesn't kiss downstairs, so I get the condom and throw it in the trash can, and tell her if you want $70 dollars right now it's going to be without the condom! Her eyes opened real big and she told me I was crazy, turned around and walked out! So I followed and told the clerk it didn't work out and to my surprise he gave me by $12 dollars back as usually they just give me credit. ( really I was just fucking around throwing the condom in the trash, as she already pissed me off, and I knew there wasn't going to be a session as it would have been bad.

So I go downstairs and pick another girl, this time I pick a big girl, about 5'5" 135-140 with big juicy watermelon tits, saying to myself fuck the skinny girls! This one is also very quiet but has a nice cute smile but clearly doesn't act like a puta like some of the other girls in here. But I like her, and like playing her tits, so only after one drink I tell her I want to take her upstairs so I could suck and play with those melons of hers. She smiles and is proud of her tits, but says she is fat when I grab her waist and I tell her your not fat, your a real Mexican girls the kind many guys like me like. Can you believe it she tells me she won't go upstairs for anything less than $70 dollars too? I thinking WTF is going on here? Two chicas in a roll demanding $70 dollars, is this a new rule in the place or did some other assholes fuck it up and over pay. Or did I make the mistake telling them I was from the states and they see me as a gringo? So I decide to hold the line, and tell her I'm sorry I don't pay over $60 dollars in this place with a sad look on my face, and I refuse to buy anymore drinks while those fucking meseros are like flies trying to make me buy more, but I just sit there, not saying a word. Finally, she says ok $60 dollars then! I'm feeling better now, so we go upstairs and she demand the $60 dollars upfront, dammit, but I say ok here is your $60, and I put on the porn. She gets naked and I start sucking those big tits of hers and she is loving it! Then it starts to get bad, she doesn't allow me to put my fingers in her pussy. I ask her for a BJ and she screams no she doesn't do that. I then try to DATY her and she doesn't do that either. I then ask her what the fuck do you do in a nice calm manner as I'm not mad, just surprised.

Ok I say you do fuck don't you? And she says yes and turned doggie exposing that great big ass of hers. I said, later I want you laying down on your back, and I put me dick in her, very tight and while I'm trying to put it in deeper she tries a cock block, but doesn't know how to do it and just gets her arm in the way. I tell her move your arm, but she says no. I think she is real concerned about the condom coming off. So we fuck like that for about 10 minutes, and she is making real noises, but at the same time she is trying not to enjoy it. Then later I turn her over for doggie and shove my dick into her, and she is loving it moaning louder and doesn't seem as concerned about he condom anymore but still turns her head around and checks to be sure I didn't take it off. Finally, I cum and I think she was about to cum too, but I wasn't concerned about her feeling since she was giving me such a hard time.

This girl was just new as I was her first customer of the day and I doubt she had many customer before as she didn't know how to act, and had a real natural response to sex which was good, she was also very fascinated about the porn and kept watching it, as I was telling her that she needs to learn do to things like the girls were doing in the film, they were sucking cock and swallowing sperm, but she just shakes her head saying no way, but she can't take her eyes off the movie.

This is not the Day time Bar Tropical I knew before where prices were never discussed, and I got nasty sex with almost always BBBJ, and if I wanted sin-condom sex that was on the menu too, as the chicas would just rolll their eyes and say go ahead then just make sure you don't cum in me, and your clean aren't you? Maybe I just picked wrong this day as I usually look for a friendly outgoing chica.

Thank God I had Guadalupe the famous SG, just an hour before these chicas as Guadalupe is a real pro, and has a very nice personality and fun to talk to. Thanks Lupe for saving my day.

 

[fgfdgfdgfdg]

Brant wrote on another thread:

I finally did it, I had a session with the famous Guadalupe! I made a rare afternoon trip to Tijuana yesterday and most of my trips are late at night. And there she was wearing a yellow dress with that umbrella she has been known to carry around. I have seen Guadalupe before but always ignored her because I felt she was Maddog's women, popular guy on another forum I met before. And to tell you the truth she really isn't that hot looking as she is in her mid 20's to pushing late 20's nows. In the day time there is some stiff competition from hot 18 year to 22 years hot chicas wearing sexy outfits in order to entice you. I think the SGs in the days look hotter than the ones in the PM but maybe I just see the PMs ones so much and have already fucked lot of them.

But as usual I can't just pick out a chica and fuck her without having a beer or two and relaxing. So I head over to Hong Kong and buy a beer, it's always great in the afternoons it's always 2 beers for 1. So I drink my beer while taking in the eye candy, and both Hong Kong and Miami have a decent selection of chicas. If fact I make mental notes on who I might want to take upstairs later.

So I go back outside to take a look at Guadalupe again, but she isn't there, so I ask the chica next to her spot where is Guadalupe and she tells me she is occupied. Oh shit I say to myself, I should have taken her up, now some other dude has his dick in her. I know what these girls do, yet it still turns me off knowing some other guy is fucking her, and I'm waiting in line, kinda like drinking from a dirty glass. So I go walking around again go into Bar Tropical hoping these assholes I call the Tropical gang isn't there, it's a long story I won't get into. While nobody I recognized was there, the selection wasn't that good, so I make my rounds again in the alley.

Finally, I spot Guadalupe, and she spots me as the SG besides her told her I was asking for her, you could almost hear the wheels in her head spinning, saying who the hell is that, I never been with him before? So I say fuck it, I'm going to try the famous one, so I walk up to her and say your Guadalupe? (I remember you because I was with you about two years ago. I can't tell her I read everything about her on a prostitution website, and I have seen a picture shine dedicated to her along with spectacular reviews.) I ask how much and she says the usual $20 dollars, and I say sin-ropa( without clothes) and she says si, so off we go. She is very talkative asking so you remember me two years ago? She smiles as she is confident that I had a good time two years ago. In the room she get naked, and she is quite pretty still thin with nice medium sized tits, and nice smile. What you notice first about Guadalupe is how friendly and confident she is. After I guess undressed she comes over to me and embraces me moving her hands up and down, and i do the same.
We fall for the bed and she reaches for the condom, and asked if I want everything including a BJ for $40? I say no how about two positions and I'll give you $5 more dollars and she said ok.( I don't like Covered BJs)

She asked what position you want first and I say mish and she lays down and spreads her legs and gives me a inviting look and I waste no time. Wow, it was nice fucking her in mish, as she allowed me to kiss her neck and tits while fucking her still tight pussy. After a few minutes of this we switch to doggie and she puts her ass up high and face down, wow again from behind it was a nice tight grip! While I'm fucking her from behind she turns her head and looks at me and smiles, and even takes her time to grab and play with my balls with one hand, and takes a pounding with no problem until I cum. What a fucking deal for only $25 dollars!

For an SG Guadalupe sex is a lot better than average, but not the best according to just sex. I had other SGs get down and nasty including BBBJ and anal sex for a few dollars more. But what sets Guadalupe apart is her friendly attitude and demeanor. She is just one sweet girl, and her English skills are fair, although she did have some problems, as I talked with her in English 75% of the time, as I know that's very important to some mongers coming from the states.

Oh yes before I leave I have to ask the question I ask all SGs. " Do you have a padrote?" She says, no that she is her own boss!' That with the one exception she has a little kid to take care of, but she comes and goes as she likes. I didn't want to confront her with well who is the guy who drops you off in that red car? I did tell her others say 'ALL' SGs have padrotes, and why would you be different. She said, that's not true, that only some SGs have padrotes, but she doesn't and most of the girls she knows don't.

I left and told her I hope you remember me if you see me again.

I then went to drink some more beer and eye my next target. And what a let down my next targets were at Tropical, but that's for another story, but as I say, thank God for SGs as they sometimes save the day, Guadalupe sure saved my day.

 

[Steven Abdul]

i seen her this past weekend both days she was posted up in her same spot she's working long hours now she did not knock off until about 1am on both days

 

[Adr3naline213]

Here is a picture a couple of years old I still had on a old photo gallery. It's a picture of a popular SG named Brenda, who works the alley in one of the more popular spots. I'm just posting it before I delete it off my old files.

It fits in this thread because she is popular just like Guadalupe and does or did quite well, as I haven't seen her in a long time. I just wanted to show her smiling face, because lot of people say SGs just aren't happy, because they are essentially sex slaves to padrotes. The researcher who I talked about in this thread claims that SGs aren't allowed by their padrote to let a monger take a photo of her, and because of the shame she feels, and the fear if her family finds out what she is doing will just never allow you to take a photo of her.

Well it turns out a great many SGs will allow you to take a photo of them, and some will even smile, and pose nude,but I do admit not all SGs will allow it.

 

[Rajendra M]

Not all chicas have pimps or padrotes, personally I really dont care if they do or they dont......the only thing I care about is the shortest distance between point A to point B. I'd like to thank money the root of all evil......Even if there was no padrotes, there will always be girls who have sex for money. Even here in the US.......Im glad there is always new, young desperate women that us mongers can take advaneforum.xxxe of.......Thank god for whores its the best thing ever!!!!

 

[Syntinen Laulu]

A padrote is a pimp, husband, boyfriend, etc. who lives off the earnings of a prostitute. (I wouldn't say all pardortes are pimps.)

 

[X. marK.]

FB says: "In fact I have been doing my own research on the subject the last few months, and I do know how to do formal psychological research methods, but I admit, my research full of anecdotal evidence, as basically it consists of talking and fucking the SGs and asking them indirectly about their home life, looking for signs that could lead me to believe they have padrotes, as it's true, almost all the girls will deny they have a padrote, could it my maybe the girls control their owns lives?"


Fireballs, you are right in rebucking the researcher. A "padrote" as a guy that controls several SW prostitues and manages them is not the same in Mexico as in the US. More or less the figure of a pimp in Mexico is one that extorts money from the girls so that they can work the streets.
You know, like mafia payments so you work at a certain spot.
But they are not refered as padrotes, maybe that's why you can't seem to find an open reference to them.

Then you have "el viejo" the guy that is the "boyfriend" to the girl, the one that exploits the girl for every penny she's got while she kills herslef at work to get money for her "viejo".

Noticable signs are that she never has money even if she earns money like no one you know, rumors will always be around that the "boyfriend" beats the girl and the most noticable is that they guy will drop her the moment she gets pregnant from him.

These guys are more visible around BGs and CGs... the girls will point other girl's "viejos" out amongst the crowd.

Padrote is like a word that has been phased out and substituted by others.

You are also right on this: "Other anecdotal evidence you see all the time by this researcher and others say,' the girls are only 18 and uneducated, yet we are to believe they travel thousands of miles by themselves to become hookers on the streets of Tijuana, no way, it's just proof that a padrote brings them to TJ and forces them to become sex slaves. ( that's not proof!)"
Some people are incapable of understanding, comprehending or simply grasp the idea that a girl can turn into a prostitute just like that. I bet he would have died if he bumped into a mother and daughter team working as hookers with no one forcing them into the business.

Congrats on your observations... maybe this will help you out. But it really takes time to gain confidence so a girl will spill put everything. Deep inside they are ashemed of being tied to a guy that is exploiting them for his benefit countered with the fear of being left alone in a cruel universe.
Girls that are living this will not confess it. They will after they are abandoned and she hits rock bottom.

 

[Imo]

What area's of Mexico are the girls recruited from? Will your research take you there? We need to get to the ROOT of the pimp issue!

 

[Pompal 09.]

Oh yes, I was going to review "S" the anthropologist to the street girls, who has an encyclopedia knowledge of all the SGs, and according to Sampson even knows who their padrotes are who control them. Like I said before I don't know "S", but just like any author who writes books, he has written a great deal on the subject, and therefore I can review him like I would any other book, and like FBI and profilers I believe when people write, it gives a great bit of insight into their souls, and even if they seem to bullshit like telling me they have a big dick, or a former Navy Seal, it lets me know they probably have self esteem problems, based on my experience and education, the big dick and navy seal is just an example I'm not talking about anybody in particle. { S isn't Sampson, S is the researcher who claims to study SGs)

Here are some of the problems I have with "S"'s belief about all the SG's having padrotes, and his methodology. This guy claimed he spent 300 days one year in the alley and Caliente( Horse and sports book) Addiction problems if you have one, more then likely you have others. 300 days is too much to spend with only prostitutes and degenerate gamblers and more then likely your addicted to pussy something bad? For me it's bad enough spending just a few days in the zona, I can't imagine spending it months on end, as the sensory/ sex overload would just be too great......could even lead to insanity in my opinion? The guy was obviously looking for a lover, and spent all his time finding as much as possible about these SGs so he could use it to attract a lover?

You can not be objective in your studies if your addicted to what your studying and have a personal interest in using the data for your personal gain.

The specific problems I found were the researcher said at the time, he didn't have a great understanding of the Spanish language so he used 3rd parties to question the SGs and gather evidence. Perhaps his Spanish is better now, bu t not being able to communicate with the girls directly is a big handicap as stuff gets lost in the translations.

The researcher used a great deal of anecdotal and indirect evidence to arrive to their conclusions. I talked about this before, for example, Guadalupe was witnessed getting out of a car being driven by some man. So that's suppose to mean that she has a padrote? Others might have told the researcher that she had a padrote, but nobody even questions the poor girl, except for Maddog, and she says she works alone, but then we are told, that Guadalupe and other chicas, are told to lie by their padrotes, so we aren't suppose to believe anything the girl says. So who are you suppose to believe?

Other anecdotal evidence you see all the time by this researcher and others say,' the girls are only 18 and uneducated, yet we are to believe they travel thousands of miles by themselves to become hookers on the streets of Tijuana, no way, it's just proof that a padrote brings them to TJ and forces them to become sex slaves. ( that's not proof!) Again, no evidence, BTW I met a few young girls in Las Vegas who also traveled a few thousand miles to become strippers, it does happen, and besides many of these SGs know others and they are just following the path of others, like older sisters, cousins, and friends. They don't have a job, they have a kid, and they have to support themselves.

Lets see what else? oh yeah, the researcher and others claim the SGs are so ashamed of what they are dong, they won't allow you to take pictures of them. However, the researcher has a picture collection of SGs, because he got very close to these girls and they allowed only him to take pictures of them. Well I never seen the researchers extensive collection of SG pictures, but personally I didn't have that much trouble getting SGs to allow me to take their picture. But I do admit taking pictures of SG is harder to do than the bargirls, but it's not impossible, I'd say about 40% will allow you, more if you offer them more money.

So until I see better evidence that more than 90% of all SG's have padrotes, I'm not going to believe all the anecdotal evidence and board myths I read. Now I'm not saying there aren't padrotes out there, it's just that I don't believe all the SG's have them, in fact last month I talked to this SG, and I'm convinced she had an padrote, the way she was talking about him? ( in the US the girls freely will admit to having a pimp. I wonder why Mexico would be so different?)

In fact I have been doing my own research on the subject the last few months, and I do know how to do formal psychological research methods, but I admit, my research full of anecdotal evidence, as basically it consists of talking and fucking the SGs and asking them indirectly about their home life, looking for signs that could lead me to believe they have padrotes, as it's true, almost all the girls will deny they have a padrote, could it my maybe the girls control their owns lives?

 

[Jolene L]

First of all, before I started advertising Team Juanita, I worked with chicas in bars. Before that in the mid 80's and 90's I had ladies that walked the street in the US. So I have lots of first hand info on how street level and TJ bar prostitution work. On top of that I have two pretty good friends that manage bars, and was allowed from time to time to hang out after the bars close.

Generally the ladies line up and present their fichas and the manager will count them out, and pay each girl. She will sign the log or initial it to show she is paid. While this is going on some of the chicas(not all bars) will be in the dressing room hitting the glass pipe and often the meseros would be in there for their turn as well. I don't even want to speculate on what % are drug addicts, but there are lots of drugs in every bar...if a chica lives in a Zona Norte Hotel the odds of her doing drugs increases dramatically.

Now after the chicas cash out, it is not uncommon for a mesero to come in with fichas they stole from a chica. Generally he splits that money with the manager....who by the way is hinting for tips from each girl as well. Most will give a few dollars if they made $20 or more...The DJ and doorman are also looking for tips...not every chica tips every person, but everyone is getting a few dollars by the end of the night.

I'm a little tired after traveling today, but if you want something more specific I will be glad an answer if I can.

 

[Brendon]

Sampson, Thanks for an interesting detailed post. Tell us if I am wrong, most SGs have pimp (I presume Padrote means pimp), but most BGs dont ?
And if you can elaborate on the following. Gracias !

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have spent so much time in the Zona Norte(I don't spend any time any more) that I am much more aware of what is happening. I have sat in the office with managers and watched them pay fichas at 5 or 6 am and see what is really going on....seen the hoes line up with the waiters and hit the pipe when the doors are closed...see who is with who and understand the tendencies of the chicas....and the games they play with the clients and how the meseros help.

 

[kss0098]

The babe with the school outfit? She is from Acupulco? Nice legs and smooth- she's classy for a street girl- not a wild fuk in bed but sounds like she is highly recommended...

 

[jkbogart]

the last time a saw her, probably a couple month's ago, she is standing in the parking lot next to the police station.

she's pretty cool, great body, and her attitude is the best!

 

[joejorob]

Good pik, you must have tons of different chicas?

 

[big jack]

Actually the "me against you line" I believe is an interpretation after someone had read the letter....

It is very common for pimps to say something like, "Nobody on this planet, gives a rat's ass about you and me, but you and me". So I find it to be a reasonable statement from a pimp.

I used the Bonnie and Clyde line often. "Baby, I am just looking for someone to play Bonnie to my Clyde".

Anyway I am sure lots of pimps get physical with their ladies, and some times it gets reported and more often it does not.

It is far more common of a report, that the trick beats or kills the woman. One of the first thing a lady should do when getting in a "trick car" is to recognize her exit plan. No where the door handle is and check that it works. Have a plan B....

Finally of course, they put that fear in their mind....the same as your Mother telling you not to touch a hot stove....it is his job to teach her what is going on and give her the tools to make the job as least dangerous as possible.

 

[AsUwish]

What I think is the pimp puts the fear or the trick into the mind of the hoes?

Here is an interesting article called, 'letter from a pimp to a teenage girl he is prostituting."

Notice the It's me and you against the world line towards the end of the 2nd letter. Make no mistake about it, pimps beat the shit out of prostitutes, of course some of the hoes believe they had it coming and it's there fault, but one way or another fear, beating, and weird love are involved in the process and relationship.

READ BELOW:


http://womensspace.wordpress.com/20...-pimp-to-the-teenage-girl-he-is-prostituting/

 

[Sarah Lee]

Fireballs, the chicas have fear from tricks...the run to pimps and run from tricks. If they fear the guy, then they would leave...it is not like they are being forced or anything.

 

[Louise C]

She's hot and has a Kind Face... where does she hang out- anyone?