Poll Do you think the Trump insurrectionists have blown their wad?

[Hornet]

There you go. Feels good, no? Lol

He’s not a likeable guy, I get it. He had the best economy, lowest unemployment in decades, okayed the pipeline, killed ISIS, great job on the border, operation Warp Speed got the vaccine in less than a year which no one thought was possible. These are just a few.

Next time you’re pumping gas at $1.20, think of those sub $1 prices before the election.


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Gas prices under Trump were just under $3.00 at the peak. Then Covid-19 hit and they dropped through the floor as demand dropped due to people being locked down and there was no demand. Trump even tired to negotiate an increase in prices when they dropped too low. The Middle East just sticks a straw in the dirt to get oil. North America companies have to invest billions to extract their oil. North American oil companies need higher oil prices to survive given how much debt they have to carry and all the interest costs and higher salaries for working in remote and dangerous regions.

U.S. All Grades All Formulations Retail Gasoline Prices (Dollars per Gallon)

Killing a key ISIS leader is a win.

Trump inherited a hot economy. His tax cuts where unnecessary and only benefited stock owners and CEOs while adding a Trillion dollars a year in debt

Trump’s Wasteful Tax Cuts Lead To Continued Trillion Dollar Deficits In Expanding Economy

If tax cuts actually paid for themselves, they would reduce deficits based on faster growth. Deficits shot up in the wake of the 2017 supply-side tax cuts. And CBO forecasts that those deficits will continue to stay high -- the opposite of tax cuts paying for themselves.

www.forbes.com

Wall Street isn’t Main Street and the small Mom&Pop shops are not measured by stock prices but they make up a huge portion of the economy.

Pipeline is dead

Kids in cages and not completing the border wall as promised is no win. He replaced some fencing scheduled to be replaced and built a bit of new fences on the back of US taxpayers (not Mexico as promised)

not all pharmaceutical companies got a dime from the government to develop the vaccine. Vaccines are only good if they get injected into arms and he had no distribution plan. Warp Speed’s stated goal was to produce and distribute 300 million safe doses of vaccine by January 2021.

 

[qinging]

There you go. Feels good, no? Lol

He’s not a likeable guy, I get it. He had the best economy, lowest unemployment in decades, okayed the pipeline, killed ISIS, great job on the border, operation Warp Speed got the vaccine in less than a year which no one thought was possible. These are just a few.

Next time you’re pumping gas at $1.20, think of those sub $1 prices before the election.


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There you go. Feels good, no? Lol

He’s not a likeable guy, I get it. He had the best economy, lowest unemployment in decades, okayed the pipeline, killed ISIS, great job on the border, operation Warp Speed got the vaccine in less than a year which no one thought was possible. These are just a few.

Next time you’re pumping gas at $1.20, think of those sub $1 prices before the election.


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"Trump inherited a strong economy—will he weaken it? It is clear that Trump inherited a strong economy that was still trending upward when he entered office—those trends have continued. The economy may have received a small boost from the 2017 tax cuts, but many economists believe that “sugar high” will be short-lived. Meanwhile, the Trump trade war has hurt American consumers and businesses, and it may slow future economic growth. In short, Trump inherited a strong economy from Barack Obama. The question is whether he will weaken it."

 

[qinging]

Operation warp speed was a necessary venture that any so called war time President would have should have undertaken. Trump then refused to use the vaccines available when offered. As I said elsewhere, he had the fighter planes but refused to use them when Russian bombers were over USA skies.

 

[snoopdoggie]

You can’t stop stupid. People listen to the media and will do whatever they say. Let me guess, you guys are double masking?

Provide the quote or video of him telling people to inject anything.


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Why don't you finally answer my simple question once and for all? What the hell were you doing when all this was happening? The whole world was talking about Drunk Trump making an ass of himself.

I think you're just pretending that you never heard of it, because you don't want to admit that your friend Drunk Trump is an ass-clown.

 

[jimmyd]

Gas prices under Trump were just under $3.00 at the peak. Then Covid-19 hit and they dropped through the floor as demand dropped due to people being locked down and there was no demand. Trump even tired to negotiate an increase in prices when they dropped too low. The Middle East just sticks a straw in the dirt to get oil. North America companies have to invest billions to extract their oil. North American oil companies need higher oil prices to survive given how much debt they have to carry and all the interest costs and higher salaries for working in remote and dangerous regions.

U.S. All Grades All Formulations Retail Gasoline Prices (Dollars per Gallon)

Killing a key ISIS leader is a win.

Trump inherited a hot economy. His tax cuts where unnecessary and only benefited stock owners and CEOs while adding a Trillion dollars a year in debt

Trump’s Wasteful Tax Cuts Lead To Continued Trillion Dollar Deficits In Expanding Economy

If tax cuts actually paid for themselves, they would reduce deficits based on faster growth. Deficits shot up in the wake of the 2017 supply-side tax cuts. And CBO forecasts that those deficits will continue to stay high -- the opposite of tax cuts paying for themselves.

www.forbes.com

Wall Street isn’t Main Street and the small Mom&Pop shops are not measured by stock prices but they make up a huge portion of the economy.

Pipeline is dead

Kids in cages and not completing the border wall as promised is no win. He replaced some fencing scheduled to be replaced and built a bit of new fences on the back of US taxpayers (not Mexico as promised)

not all pharmaceutical companies got a dime from the government to develop the vaccine. Vaccines are only good if they get injected into arms and he had no distribution plan. Warp Speed’s stated goal was to produce and distribute 300 million safe doses of vaccine by January 2021.

Yes, the pipeline is dead, and Biden killed it.

If you believe what you said, you’re too far gone. Your bias beats out your own reasoning.

In under 50 days gas prices went up 20%. Covid is far from over. Your argument doesn’t make sense. And to compare it to a peak price is disingenuous. You don’t even mention what state the $3 was in. States vary gas price by a dollar. California probably hasn’t seen gas prices under $3 in a long time.

The “Trump inherited a hot economy” is a mainstream media talking point. Where did you copy/paste that from? Obama had the slowest growing economy ever. And had no excuse for it. But he kept laying down new regulations slowing down business growth even more.

Was the kids in cages bad only when Trump did it, or when Obama, and now Biden are doing it?

Border facilities are at 729% capacity now. Yes, Trump did a much better job.

Biden himself said the vaccine wouldn’t be ready for a long time, and you’re faulting Warp Speed for missing their goal by months?

Your bias doesn’t align with facts.


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[snoopdoggie]

You can’t stop stupid. People listen to the media and will do whatever they say. Let me guess, you guys are double masking?

Provide the quote or video of him telling people to inject anything.


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That's right. You can't stop stupid. That's why you and Drunk Trump are who you are.

 

[jimmyd]

Why don't you finally answer my simple question once and for all? What the hell were you doing when all this was happening? The whole world was talking about Drunk Trump making an ass of himself.

I think you're just pretending that you never heard of it, because you don't want to admit that your friend Drunk Trump is an ass-clown.

I know you were holding up a MAGA flag at the time. Were you stupid then or are you stupid now?


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[qinging]

Covid revealed what a weak inept man Trump is. At the end of the day he got what he deserves... for now. The legal system we can only hope finishes him off. Merrick Garland I think will go after him as best he can as well.

 

[jimmyd]

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[Hornet]

Yes, the pipeline is dead, and Biden killed it.

If you believe what you said, you’re too far gone. Your bias beats out your own reasoning.

In under 50 days gas prices went up 20%. Covid is far from over. Your argument doesn’t make sense. And to compare it to a peak price is disingenuous. You don’t even mention what state the $3 was in. States vary gas price by a dollar. California probably hasn’t seen gas prices under $3 in a long time.

The “Trump inherited a hot economy” is a mainstream media talking point. Where did you copy/paste that from? Obama had the slowest growing economy ever. And had no excuse for it. But he kept laying down new regulations slowing down business growth even more.

Was the kids in cages bad only when Trump did it, or when Obama, and now Biden are doing it?

Border facilities are at 729% capacity now. Yes, Trump did a much better job.

Biden himself said the vaccine wouldn’t be ready for a long time, and you’re faulting Warp Speed for missing their goal by months?

Your bias doesn’t align with facts.


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Obama inherited the Great Recession caused by giving too much freedom to banks and financial institutions. Since then banks and financial institutions have to meet stress tests to avoid that from happening again.

gas prices are going up with demand for gas as the economy is opening up. I gave you a link for the US (not a state) so click on it and read it. If you are going to blame that on Biden then then you must give him credit for the hot stock market and the economic predictions of 8% growth this year too. The DJIA is up 6% since Biden took office (less than 2 months ago).

Here’s the unemployment rates by year.

Annual unemployment rate U.S. 2023 | Statista

The annual unemployment rate fell to its lowest point in decades in 2022 as the U.S. economy continues to recover from the COVID-19 pandemic.

www.statista.com

where are you getting your sources on Obama putting kids in cages. Provide a reputable source. Biden does need to address the current issues with the border.

Biden is saying the vaccinations won’t reach the level of heard immunity for awhile because they actually looked at the logistics of manufacturing and distribution and developed an actual plan. Trump just pulled a number out of his ass and said it will happen with no plan on how to do it.

 

[jimmyd]

Obama inherited the Great Recession caused by giving too much freedom to banks and financial institutions. Since then banks and financial institutions have to meet stress tests to avoid that from happening again.

gas prices are going up with demand for gas as the economy is opening up. I gave you a link for the US (not a state) so click on it and read it. If you are going to blame that on Biden then then you must give him credit for the hot stock market and the economic predictions of 8% growth this year too. The DJIA is up 6% since Biden took office (less than 2 months ago).

Here’s the unemployment rates by year.

Annual unemployment rate U.S. 2023 | Statista

The annual unemployment rate fell to its lowest point in decades in 2022 as the U.S. economy continues to recover from the COVID-19 pandemic.

www.statista.com

where are you getting your sources on Obama putting kids in cages. Provide a reputable source. Biden does need to address the current issues with the border.

Biden is saying the vaccinations won’t reach the level of heard immunity for awhile because they actually looked at the logistics of manufacturing and distribution and developed an actual plan. Trump just pulled a number out of his ass and said it will happen with no plan on how to do it.

Biden, on the debate stage, said the vaccine was nowhere near ready. Then conveniently days after the election the vaccine was done. Every media outlet said it would take years for them to make a vaccine.

Demand for gas hasn’t risen over 20% in under 50 days. Figure out another excuse.

Why are you giving Biden credit for a projected growth, but Trump inherited a “hot market”? Your bias is showing. Even if Trump inherited a “hot market”, all media outlets said he was going to crash it. And yet before Covid, it was the hottest economy ever.

Am I reading it wrong? The source you listed shows the unemployment rate grew under Obama and went down during Trump, as you can see below.

As for kids in cages, yes Obama built them.

Fact check: Obama administration approved, built temporary holding enclosures at southern border

A meme about a recent speech is true. The facilities were built during the Obama era -- and were intended to hold migrant children for up to 72 hours.

www.usatoday.com

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[jimmyd]

Obama officials rushed to explain photos from 2014 that went viral showing locked-up immigrant children — and Trump's facilities look the same

Several 2014 photos of detained immigrant children resurfaced and went viral in May. Former Obama administration officials tried to explain the context behind the photos, which appeared to show migrant kids locked up in cages. Recent photos of Trump administration detainment centers look the same.

www.businessinsider.com

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[Sybarite]

You are "almost" surpassing jimmyd as alternate reality king.....in your world close does get the cigar.....let's try this again....Trump enters 2017 with oval office and both houses of congress....in 2021 leaves having lost all 3.... Trump during his peak popularity never reached 50% approval ...the only President ever to have done so......yet your alternate reality says he did not lose the election and the two houses almost being in GOP hands ...but NOT...is a win for Trumpism

Nice try. I've never said Trump didn't lose the second election - lying is an extremely weak and desperate way to make your point...

Almost is not alternative reality: that's what happened. Trump almost won a second time, so it wasn't a double royal flush, and it's supremely misguided to say it couldn't happen again when it almost happened twice. Someone who almost won in a pandemic is a threat possibly win again, and that threat should be taken seriously, but your extremism makes it impossible to admit that obvious reality...

 

[Sybarite]

A note of interest for Trump's primary chances ....at CPAC a few week back....a poll among the most extreme GOP base types showed only 55% would vote for Trump.

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021/03/trump-still-favorite-of-three-of-five-republican-tribes.html

there hasn’t been a lot of empirical verification of his post-presidential position in his party, other than a dubious 2024 straw poll at a CPAC conference in Orlando where he was greeted like he was still in office. Among other things, the CPAC poll was probably distorted by home-turf enthusiasm for Florida governor Ron DeSantis, hailed as the Great Reopener by his public-health-hostile co-partisans....

But now the reputable GOP polling firm of Fabrizio, Lee & Associates... found that three of the five “tribes” — representing about two-thirds of the respondents — are very warm toward the idea of Trump 2024, as their monikers suggest: “Die-Hard Trumpers” (27 percent of Republicans), “Trump Boosters” (28 percent) and “InfoWars GOP” (10 percent). This last group, defined as strongly favoring QAnon and similar conspiracy theories, could be described as Trumpier than Trump. A fourth tribe (20 percent of Republicans) is called “Post-Trump GOP.” It shares with the first three groups sky-high approval ratings for Trump’s performance as president (97 percent), but is conspicuously open to alternative future leadership (9 percent of them definitely would not vote for Trump in a 2024 Republican primary, while 91 percent “aren’t sure”). Then you have the famous, if often overestimated, “Never Trump” tribe, coming in at 15 percent of the party. Three-fourths of them predictably don’t give him a positive job-approval rating, and 89 percent of them want to see him go away....

all in all, the results confirm the judgment that it’s still Trump’s party, with only a relatively small group dead set against him and a majority still inclined to support him in the future. Perhaps best of all for the Man Who Would Be King, no one person in the GOP is even remotely within striking distance of him in rank-and-file esteem. If you remember his divide-and-conquer strategy for winning the 2016 GOP presidential nomination, that makes him uniquely formidable going forward if he decides to run again.

 

[Sybarite]

Why don't you finally answer my simple question once and for all? What the hell were you doing when all this was happening? The whole world was talking about Drunk Trump making an ass of himself.

I think you're just pretending that you never heard of it, because you don't want to admit that your friend Drunk Trump is an ass-clown.

Where the hell were YOU during the first three years of Trump's term??? That was all sunshine and rainbows??

Oh I remember now! You were "educating" everyone about how Trudeau is a "dictator", how great Trump would be for Canada, and how gay marriage is an abomination in the eyes of the Lord.

 

[qinging]

Nice try. I've never said Trump didn't lose the second election - lying is an extremely weak and desperate way to make your point...

Almost is not alternative reality: that's what happened. Trump almost won a second time, so it wasn't a double royal flush, and it's supremely misguided to say it couldn't happen again when it almost happened twice. Someone who almost won in a pandemic is a threat possibly win again, and that threat should be taken seriously, but your extremism makes it impossible to admit that obvious reality...

I have asked you twice if Trump lost the election and you refused to say yes......last chance or are you sticking with almost won.

 

[qinging]

Here we see just how serious and honest Trump was about economic numbers.

 

[qinging]

Big bad Trump saving $450 million ....good play Dumbo

Trump Froze Aid To Guatemala. Now Programs Are Shutting Down

In April, the president put $450 million on hold for Guatemala as well as Honduras and El Salvador over what he described as the failure of their governments to stem the flow of migrants to the U.S.

www.npr.org

 

[Hornet]

Biden, on the debate stage, said the vaccine was nowhere near ready. Then conveniently days after the election the vaccine was done. Every media outlet said it would take years for them to make a vaccine.

Demand for gas hasn’t risen over 20% in under 50 days. Figure out another excuse.

Why are you giving Biden credit for a projected growth, but Trump inherited a “hot market”? Your bias is showing. Even if Trump inherited a “hot market”, all media outlets said he was going to crash it. And yet before Covid, it was the hottest economy ever.

Am I reading it wrong? The source you listed shows the unemployment rate grew under Obama and went down during Trump, as you can see below.

As for kids in cages, yes Obama built them.

Fact check: Obama administration approved, built temporary holding enclosures at southern border

A meme about a recent speech is true. The facilities were built during the Obama era -- and were intended to hold migrant children for up to 72 hours.

www.usatoday.com

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Yes Obama built the cages but Trump put the kids in cages. This was discussed weeks ago in this very thread.

Here is Trump telling Russia and Saudi Arabia to cut oil supply to raise prices

Trump calls on Russia and Saudi Arabia to cut oil production

Data released by the federal Energy Information Administration this week showed gasoline demand in the U.S. plummeting and oil inventories surging.

www.politico.com

thanks for showing that US unemployment at 5.8% before the Great Recession caused by the lack of controls on the banking system but was 4.6% when he left. The Financial Crisis was no Obama’s fault, they even had to pause election debates as the bailouts were happening. Natural unemployment being 4-5% (lower can lead to inflation which hurts seniors)

What Is the Natural Unemployment Rate?

The natural unemployment rate is measured by the number of people unemployed due to the structure of the labor force, such as those who lack the skills to gain employment or those moving from job to job.

www.investopedia.com

Dodd-Frank had to be implemented to put more controls on banks to avoid another financial disaster and Trump tried to roll that back in 2018

It’s not my bias to give 6% growth to Biden. I’m merely pointing to some facts and using your biases against you. This has been discussed earlier when you used Biden’s inauguration as the cut-off for who owns Covid deaths. If you are being consistent you must give him credit for that 6%. I don’t think Biden deserves all the credit for 6% just like I think Deaths that happened a few weeks after Inauguration is on Trumo and the Financial crisis and 9% unemployment is on Bush. But you like to cherry pick and I thought I’d throw that in to highlight you biases.

 

[qinging]

Yes Obama built the cages but Trump put the kids in cages. This was discussed weeks ago in this very thread.

Here is Trump telling Russia and Saudi Arabia to cut oil supply to raise prices

Trump calls on Russia and Saudi Arabia to cut oil production

Data released by the federal Energy Information Administration this week showed gasoline demand in the U.S. plummeting and oil inventories surging.

www.politico.com

thanks for showing that US unemployment at 5.8% before the Great Recession caused by the lack of controls on the banking system but was 4.6% when he left. The Financial Crisis was no Obama’s fault, they even had to pause election debates as the bailouts were happening. Natural unemployment being 4-5% (lower can lead to inflation which hurts seniors)

What Is the Natural Unemployment Rate?

The natural unemployment rate is measured by the number of people unemployed due to the structure of the labor force, such as those who lack the skills to gain employment or those moving from job to job.

www.investopedia.com

Dodd-Frank had to be implemented to put more controls on banks to avoid another financial disaster and Trump tried to roll that back in 2018

The evil of the Trump mentality..

Trump official admits family separation policy 'should never have been implemented'

Rod Rosenstein publicly denounces ‘zero-tolerance’ policy for first time, following report showing US didn’t effectively coordinate care for children

www.theguardian.com