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take a look at these videos -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_j2f7gI4JwQ&feature=channel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnUR58fwzjQ

i want to talk about professionalism here. first of all, i think it's unethical to take a video of a treatment and post it on youtube with or without the client's permission. it's one thing to have someone model for the purpose of demonstration and completely different when it's a real treatment. what do you think?

next - behavior. would you see a practitioner who's table side manner was so... loose? am i a prude for being totally turned off by this kind of behavior? i think that teasing and joking around with someone while they're on the table is totally inappropriate and unprofessional.

i feel a bit embarrassed for even paying attention to a procedure dubbed "emotional liposuction". it's obviously and excessively showy... which i perceive as a "bogus flag". so my third question to you all (and the reason i posted this question in the energy work forum) is - do you guys see any bogus flags here?
 
unprofessional behavior??

While they're are definitely not my "cup of tea" and less than what I'd consider professional - if people give their permission to subject themselves to being videotaped it's up to them. Unfortunately youtube has become an open arena for all kinds of things & its a free for all....So you can find great, not so great & downright awful videos there.

It is what it is.
 
unprofessional behavior??

If they're up for being on video that's their call, but when I see someone diving in and jamming thumbs into someone's ribcage and planting fingers between a woman's breasts when she was obviously caught off guard, and continuing when she's trying to block his hands and move away?

That's just not right.
 
unprofessional behavior??

Yikes. He seemed to move a little too fast for my taste and kept going after she pushed him away? Also, you go poking hard into someones body, you are going to get that reaction. I would never subject myself to being treated that way.
 
unprofessional behavior??

As far as the 2nd video (didn't watch the first) I disagree, I think that her hands went up in surprise but I don't see that she was trying to push him away. I just think she was nervous and the fellow's personality just happens to be matter of fact. As someone who has both experienced and witnessed a lot of various types of energy work, I thought it was interesting.
 
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So, if I jam my hands into those areas, I would be detecting abandonment, rage, bitterness, anger, fear, etc... instead of tissues responding to sudden, hard pressure? Right. :roll:

Both videos strike me as complete malarkey, and the "practitioner" is thoroughly unprofessional. He strikes me as a con man who simply enjoys messing with people's heads (and wallets). :smt011
 
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Yeah, I'm pokin' at myself tryin' to determine what my issues are!!
 
unprofessional behavior??

JasonE said:
So, if I jam my hands into those areas, I would be detecting abandonment, rage, bitterness, anger, fear, etc... instead of tissues responding to sudden, hard pressure? Right. :roll:

Both videos strike me as complete malarkey, and the "practitioner" is thoroughly unprofessional. He strikes me as a con man who simply enjoys messing with people's heads (and wallets). :smt011
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Shannon said:
JasonE said:
So, if I jam my hands into those areas, I would be detecting abandonment, rage, bitterness, anger, fear, etc... instead of tissues responding to sudden, hard pressure? Right. :roll:

Both videos strike me as complete malarkey, and the "practitioner" is thoroughly unprofessional. He strikes me as a con man who simply enjoys messing with people's heads (and wallets). :smt011
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Ugh. I didn't click on the links when this was first posted; I did the first one today, and was so totally turned off I barely got half a minute through it before closing the window. Ick. Yuk. Nasty.
 
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Timedess said:
Ugh. I didn't click on the links when this was first posted; I did the first one today, and was so totally turned off I barely got half a minute through it before closing the window. Ick. Yuk. Nasty.

No, no... watch the whole thing. Learn what not to do.
 
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I only watched a portion of the first video and I was irritated. It appears that this poking and jabbing as demonstrated, can provide an emotional release... an emotional release of yeah, whatever (!!) :shock: , in my opinion.

This thread may be a nice one to consider for many reasons: Should a massage hurt?

Regarding emotional release work, I have found that it takes a steady and moderate pressure with a full hand to be most effective.
 
unprofessional behavior??

I didn't like that one bit...it appears he's touching Mu points. I have never seen any type of work done by a jerk like that before. I wouldn't trust him with anything emotional. It looks like he had his sister or somebody sit for him.
 
unprofessional behavior??

I'm not the most knowledgeable person on energy work but this is what I get from this:

1) Not quit sure if it's unprofessional. Everyone works differently with different clients. I work in a PT studio and a lot of my clients really enjoy chatting and joking, it's a good break from the daily grind for them.

2) Pretty sure what he's doing doesn't make sense. It seems....Scammy.
 
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I'm not so quick to dismiss such things. I've experienced the same things as the young woman and only found relief through a similar process, and I cried even harder than she did. Letting go hurts.

In Traditional Chinese medicine, the organs store the emotions; this is just one way of relieving them.
 
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ReikiDude said:
I'm not so quick to dismiss such things. I've experienced the same things as the young woman and only found relief through a similar process, and I cried even harder than she did. Letting go hurts.

In Traditional Chinese medicine, the organs store the emotions; this is just one way of relieving them.

So you think this guy is legit and not just taking advaneforum.xxxe of gullible marks? :smt010 Crying doesn't necessarily herald emotional release - sometimes it is a sign of pain, or a new trauma, both of which may apply to the demo clips posted. :smt011
 
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Well, as I said, it was a similar treatment that helped me escape the emotional agony I was in. Was I gullible? Was I "cured?" I say I was cured!
 
unprofessional behavior??

ReikiDude said:
Well, as I said, it was a similar treatment that helped me escape the emotional agony I was in. Was I gullible? Was I "cured?" I say I was cured!

That is the power of placebo enhanced by the power of misdirection so frequently used by con men and magicians. If a person wants to believe something helped them for X reason, they will do so even if the facts indicate that X reason is utterly false and that far more conventional explanation is available. Or, as the old saying goes, "Your faith has made you well!"
 
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    ๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’JENNYโ€™S SPA๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ โœ…5170 DUNDAS STREET WESTโœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒETOBICOKE ONTARIO M9A 1C4๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ(647-893-5196)โ˜Ž๏ธCall or Text โ˜Ž๏ธ(437-888-3759)โ˜Ž๏ธCall Only (ETOBICOKE) OPEN 10am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…GRAND OPENING๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅEXCELLENT MASSAGE + SERVICE QUEENS NOW AVAILABLE AT JENNYโ€™S SPA FOR ALL YOUR MASSAGE AND SPECIAL EXTRA NEEDS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’ฏ๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ”ฅโค๏ธ๐Ÿ‘Œ ๐Ÿ”ฅTWO BEAUTIFUL NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅREAL PICTURES OF ATTENDANTS๐Ÿ’ฏ๐Ÿ’ฏ๐Ÿ’ฏ - TODAYโ€™s ROSTER INCLUDES: ๐Ÿ”ฅ Coco๐Ÿ˜˜- A young cute blonde Asian girl maki
  33. Lulu1980:
    Hi guys ๐Ÿคช๐Ÿคช๐ŸคชPhoenix blossom Spa ๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒนJessica sexy body big boobs ๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜very good body slide ๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒนand Cici very good table shower๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜ ๏ผŒHelen Deep Tissue Massage๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘5124 Dundas St W Etobicoke โ˜Ž๏ธ 416-817-3366
  34. Red Rose Spa:
    ๐ŸŒธ We have 9 hot brown girls today ๐ŸŒธ MALIYA, ASHA, SANA, PAOLA, TRACY, AMANDA, RAVEN, PAYAL PEARL, AAVI, ANGEL ๐ŸŒธ 2588 Birchmount ๐ŸŒธ 2 Invergordon ๐ŸŒธ 647-702-8800 ๐ŸŒธ Please visit for a great erotic massage
  35. Moon&beauty:
    MoonMoon spa/416 887 8801/8131Yonge st #203 Turkish Persian girl and Asian girl today &Good service Cuban girl (Mimi)and Asian girl Yuki in Thursday
  36. Annie Spa:
    ๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ANNIE SPA๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ โœ…7-1001 SANDHURST CIRCLEโœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒSCARBOROUGH ON M1V 1Z6๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ(437) 818-8896โ˜Ž๏ธ โ˜Ž๏ธ(416) 291-8879โ˜Ž๏ธ (FINCH & MCCOWAN) OPEN 10am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…NEW MANAGEMENT๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ ๐Ÿ”ฅGORGEOUS NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS - TODAYโ€™s ROSTER INCLUDES: ๐Ÿ”ฅ Mia๐Ÿ˜ beautiful young Singapore girl. Mia has a very sexy body, and beautiful busty boobs and golden blonde hair. She can give a very good teasing and relaxing massage with a sensual great playful HAPPY service. So very sexy beautiful gir
  37. bnwellness_wilson:
    Blue Nile Wellness Center, We have 4 young beautiful girls are working today, young sweet student Mia and young cute open mind Yoyo with 36DD , pretty GFE Lina 34DD and sexy Coco are providing deep tissue and sensual massage, pls call 416-3985777 book appointment and walk in always welcome, back entrance and parking available,350 Wilson Ave North York
  38. hiyamickey:
    6 young petite girls working at Reynaella wellness, Address: 3555 14th Ave unit #7 Markham โ˜Ž๏ธ๏ผš905-470-8082
  39. Moneylee:
    All season wellness center : young girl pretty face nice figure Thai deep massage Helen,Young girl big breasted beautiful buttocks charming temperament summer ,Young girl Big breasted saucy naughty Ella , Enchanting sexy petite deep massage Sherry ,address: #5-30 Rambler dr Brampton ,Ontario L6W 1E2โ˜Ž๏ธ4376655510 ๐Ÿ‘…๐Ÿ‘…๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿ‘„
  40. Moneylee:
    Full season wellness center: New Young girl big breasted beautiful buttocks charming temperament big boobs Rose,Young girl big breasted beautiful buttocks charming temperament big boobs Julie ,Young girl Big-breasted big big butts Aris ,Young beautiful face sexy body and good deep massage maggie,Enchanting sexy petite deep massage Mary. ๐Ÿ  2560 Shepard ave Mississauga unit 1 โ˜Ž๏ธ 4379857899 ๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿ‘…๐Ÿ‘…
  41. Dreaminn:
    WEDNESDAY at ๐Ÿ’ญDREAM INN WELLNESS SPA๐Ÿ’ญ: [ EVELYN, FIONA & LULU. 10225 Yonge St (North of Major Mackenzie), Richmond Hill, ON โ˜Ž๏ธ 647-829-2983 โ˜Ž๏ธ EVELYN is๐Ÿ’ซA True Spinner!๐Ÿ’ซ with a beautiful face and tiny tiny body. A rare gem, 5โ€™1โ€ & only 95 pounds! She will rock your spinner loverโ€™s world with her gfe services. FIONA is a slim, very beautiful and accommodating Chinese lady,5โ€™7"
  42. Endless Joy Spa:
    โœจโœจโœจโœจโœจ[GRAND OPENING]โœจโœจโœจโœจโœจ ๐Ÿ’žEndless Joy Spa๐Ÿ’ž ๐ŸŽ‡ (155 East Beaver Creek Rd Unit #8, Richmond Hill) 416-731-8565๐ŸŽ‡Slim Sexy Chinese Kiki, Slim Petite Chinese Suki, Tall Slim Sexy Chinese Kelly
  43. Sparkling Spa:
    Sexy Japanese Chanel and Sassy Jennifer will fulfill you needs to today @ SPARKLING SPA โ˜Ž๏ธ(905) 604-8186 Spa Land Lineโ˜Ž๏ธ โ˜Ž๏ธ(437) 446-6688 NEW Spa Cell Phone 50 LOCKRIDGE AVE UNIT#8 No Spa like us anywhere near us
  44. Lily Spa:
    โค๏ธ KAJAL, CAMILLA and KK are here today for your massage needs โค๏ธ Lily Spa โค๏ธ 2190 McNicoll โค๏ธ Scarborough โค๏ธ M1V 5M2 โค๏ธ (647) 531-8288 โค๏ธ
  45. NewOriental:
    WEDNESDAY at ๐Ÿ๐Ÿ’šNEW ORIENTAL SPA๐Ÿ’š๐Ÿ: HAPPY, TIANA & VIVIAN. 10 East Wilmot St, Unit 26, Richmond Hill, on โ˜Ž๏ธ 647-381-2688 โ˜Ž๏ธ HAPPY is a slim Korean lady with great massage skills & lots of extra fun. TIANA is a sexy Jamaican girl, 5โ€™6โ€ & 120Lbs, possessing 36DD-28-39 assets to drive you crazy. VIVIAN is a pretty and very sexy Chinese doll, standing 5โ€™7โ€ tall
  46. GoldenFlower:
    WEDNESDAY at ๐Ÿ’›โญ๐ŸŒŸ๐ŸŒป GOLDEN FLOWER SPA๐ŸŒป ๐ŸŒŸโญ๐Ÿ’›, 8380 Kennedy Rd, Unit C6 (Kennedy & Hwy 7), Markham, ON 905-258-0777: Jojo, Linda, Sherry, & Tracy(to 8pm). After 8pm: Sonia Jojo is a beautiful young fair skinned Hong Kong girl who can melt all your cares away. Linda is a pretty Vietnamese cutie with nice melons, curvy ass, and great services. Sherry is an attractive slim Asian
  47. Peony Garden Spa:
    ๐ŸŒธ2 GIRLS AVAILABLE TODAY ๐ŸŒธ NANCY: A YOUNG AND PETITE VIETNAMESE GIRL, 5', THAT IS VERY FUN AND FRIENDLY, SHE IS OPEN MINDED ๐ŸŒธ EMILY: A PETITE CURVY THAI MIXED GIRL, 5'2, LONG BLACK HAIR AND SPEAKS FLUENT ENGLISH ๐ŸŒธ PEONY GARDEN SPA ๐ŸŒธ 3477 KENNEDY ROAD UNIT 4 ๐ŸŒธ (416) 335-6093 ๐ŸŒธ
  48. ASPA:
    ๐—ช๐—˜๐——๐—ก๐—˜๐—ฆ๐——๐—”๐—ฌ at ๐€ ๐’๐๐€: Amy, Coco & ๐—ฏ๐—ฒ๐˜€๐˜ ๐—บ๐—ฎ๐˜€๐˜€๐—ฎ๐—ด๐—ฒ ๐—ฅ๐—ฎ๐—ฐ๐—ต๐—ฒ๐—น ๐Ÿ…ฐ๏ธ๐€ ๐’๐๐€๐Ÿ…ฐ๏ธ, 28 South Unionville Ave, Unit 5, Markham. ๐Ÿ…ฐ๏ธ๐—–๐—ฎ๐—น๐—น ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿณ๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿต-๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿฒ ๐—ผ๐—ฟ ๐˜๐—ฒ๐˜…๐˜ ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿด๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿต-๐Ÿฑ๐Ÿต๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿ…ฐ๏ธ AMY is young and very friendly, standing 158 Cms. with 34C Cups and a very nice bum. Amy is a very popular student, young, sexy, and open minded. She is in demand for her good massage
  49. HolidaySpa:
    Wednesday at ๐ŸŒด๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒ…๐“—๐“ธ๐“ต๐“ฒ๐“ญ๐“ช๐”‚ ๐“ข๐“น๐“ช๐ŸŒ…๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒด3517 Kennedy Rd, Unit 4, Scarborough โ˜Ž๏ธ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿญ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿต๐Ÿตโ˜Ž๏ธKelly & Kiki. Kelly is slim and attractive with very slight curves, a nice bum, and rockinโ€™ services. Kiki is very attractive, young, about 5โ€™4โ€ and 110 Lbs., slim with a banging body. Kiki is very popular for her great attitude and services. ๐ŸŒด๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒ…HOLIDAY SPA๐ŸŒ…๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒด 3517 Kennedy Rd, Unit 4
  50. ForeverWarden:
    Wednesday at ๐Ÿซฆโค๏ธ๐Ÿ”ด๐ŸŸฅโ™พ๏ธ๐“•๐“ž๐“ก๐“”๐“ฅ๐“”๐“ก ๐“ข๐“Ÿ๐“โ™พ๏ธ๐ŸŸฅ๐Ÿ”ดโค๏ธ๐Ÿซฆ2190 Warden Ave, Unit 201, Scarborough ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿฒ-๐Ÿด๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿฌ-๐Ÿณ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด๐Ÿณ: Cindy, Bella & Sasa. Cindy is a slim beauty, 5โ€™4โ€, natural C Cups & wonderfully long nipples. Her massage is nice, her bbbj will drive you wild & her cfs finish is a dream come true. Bella is around 5โ€™3โ€ with a thin to medium build, C Cups, and a pleasing personality. She can offer dfk, bbbj and cfs as well
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