Things that massage therapists do that annoy you as a client

Regarding glutes work, I have few clients that just come for glutes/hip release work. Work through a towel feels great and is good for broad introductory or relaxing strokes but not for precise work.

But I agree with Claire that having the underwear pulled down all the way doesn't feel comfortable at all (at least for some of us). The way I deal with this in the prone position is by just uncovering one glute at a time (provided the underwear is flexible enough- and they are not wearing tight cutting thongs). This doesn't feel intrusive at all (at least to the people I have worked with and myself) and it offers the opportunity to do great deep tissue work.

Also for me glute work is most effective on the sidelying position and that is easily manageable without feeling intrusive.

The glutes (and all the deep lateral rotators) play such a massive role on lower back pain and sciatica. It is such a pity that so many practititioners ignore the area!
Happy glutes!
M
 
Thanks for the input massagespace! My ITEC teacher didn't even teach us the glutes. I picked up some stuff during my pregnancy massage course!
 
If you use the ‘search’ function, you will find that there have been several previous threads discussing gluteal massage. Personally I agree with a comment with Paul Crick made on one of the earlier threads:



It is useful to be able to massage over a drape if a therapist is likely to work in a semi-public environment (such as doing sports massage at a triathlon or marathon). But personally, as a client, I would be unlikely to book again with a therapist who seemed uncomfortable about massaging the glutes. I’d recommend the Sean Riehl DVD ‘Deep Tissue and Neuromuscular Therapy’ which shows how to drape a client in American style (ie folding the towel diagonally to cover the gluteal cleft).

I am slightly surprised by Claire’s comment



My impression is that the reason most clients keep their underwear on (and why some therapists ask clients is to keep underwear on) is in order to keep the genital region covered. My impression, both from several years reading this forum and from attending CPD courses as a therapist is that there are many therapists who are comfortable with seeing their clients’ buttocks but don’t want to expose their clients’ genitals.

I will try to ‘bounce’’ a couple of the older threads for the benefit of our newer members !

Alan
 
I probably made this point in a previous thread, but when I was studying aromatherapy, my tutor (who was younger than me) told us that when she trained, also with ITEC, the glutes were part of the syllabus and they learnt appropriate towel technique. By the time we did the course, they were completely off-limits.

I'm happy to work on the glutes if requested, and occasionally I might suggest it if a client has a specific problem and I think they won't take it the wrong way (after all, think what big powerful muscles the glutes are and the work they have to do!), but otherwise I avoid them, which I think is a bit of a shame.
 
Sorry Alan D, but why is working the gluts though the towel bad training? There is more to massage than Swedish/Classical! Are you suggesting that Shiatsu, Thai, and Tui-Na practitioners are less sensitive because they work though clothing? In many respects a covered body can tell you as much or even more where the underlying tension is! How is this possible? By the adaption of technique.

As therapists we need to be a bit more open minded when it comes to technique, not just following one type of massage. Massage training in the UK should include clothed techniques as well as oily ones. We are so backward compared to USA & Asia.

Back to the topic, pulling clients underwear down without permission is bad practice. But as been said, working the gluts is an important in many musculo-sketetal (sp) disorders.

One thing I don't like from a therapist is wrapping their fingers around my throat when working the trapezium, yuk!

RP
 
I think that students should be taught to massage their clients on the skin before they are taught how to work through drapes or clothing. The main reason for this is to help students to improve their palpation skills. I would agree that an experienced therapist can palpate effectively through a thin drape such as a sheet: but (as we’ve discussed on earlier threads) most UK therapists seem to use thick towels rather than thin sheets for draping, and personally I like a massage to include some long effleurage strokes, which can’t really be applied over clothing.
This is (as I have made clear on an earlier thread where we discussed gluteal massage in more detail) the way in which sports massage was taught at the London School of Sports Massage (where I trained under Mel Cash in 1999). Initially we were taught to massage on bare skin (gluteal massage was included in the second week of the course). Later, when students' palpation skills are more developed, they are taught how to apply massage over clothing, for use at sports events.
I would agree that “pulling clients underwear down without permission is bad practice”. In my view, any therapist offering full body massage should conduct a client consultation before beginning the massage, so that they can ascertain if there any areas the client does not want massaged (some clients don’t want their abdomen or glutes massaged, and many men don’t want their face touched).

Alan
 
Just to jump in here for anyone who does pull down clients underwear, not only is it bad practice, it is potentially illegal, as was found in a recent court case.
 
Hi Alan

Glad you had good training, unfortunately a lot don't.

Cheers

RP
 
As Alan has said, surely as long as clients are made aware in advance exactly which areas of the body will be massaged then they should not be shocked or surprised when it comes to accessing the glutes?

I always let my clients know where I massage beforehand, but I also state that this can be adapted to suit their preferences.

We were not taught gluteal massage on my course which I think is a great pity. Everything I've learned about it has been from DVDs, books and the internet. My clients all love the fact that a full body massage from me ACTUALLY means full body (except the genitals, obviously).

In terms of receiving a massage - I've yet to find a therapist (and I've tried several in recent years) who includes the glutes (and I feel too embarrassed to ask in case they think I'm weird!). I for one would be quite happy if they yanked my underwear out the way to get stuck in!! LOL!

Just my tuppence worth!

Kitten
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Hi Kitty ;-)

Good for you for expanding your techniques and continued study!

You are an example for us all!

RP
 
I would happily do it if 1) I had the right towelling technique (need to look it up) and 2) I was sure that clients are happy with it. I don't want them to just say ok because they feel they would be weird to refuse. I know I might... Maybe I'm weird!
Anyway, I have never received a massage with proper glutes massage that didn't feel intrusive because the therapist either didn't do it or pulled my pants down and started doing some weird strokes on my glutes... Maybe that's why I am not sure about giving it!
 
I tell you now that glut massage is really easy. It's no difficult than any other toweling technique, apart from clients wearing boxer shorts. Even easier, is (as long as the client has good hip flexability, and doesn't have tight abductors) putting the leg into a "froggy" position and massaging the gluts, ITB and TFL all in one go! Many lower back, leg and sciatic probs will just dissolve.

RP
 
Ok, here's how to do a basic glut massage if client is wearing typical lady's knickers or men's briefs.

Pull the underwear down a couple of inches or more and tuck the towel in. Knead with thumbs or palm the upper gluts.

Disengage the towel and lift underwear up.

Lift underwear buttock line and tuck towel in. Knead gluts.

Then place leg in "froggy position", massage gluts, ITB & TFL.

Bring leg back straight.

Massage the hamstrings, then the calf.

Tip: massage tender (acu/trigger) spots around the lower part of calf and around the ankle & heel. This can reduce tension in the gluts.

Massage back up the leg to the butt. You should find the gluts are looser.

Ease, effective treatment that a lot of colleges don't teach.

RP
 
Hi Claire,
A good description by Reiki Pixie,however be aware not every guy wears 'briefs' there are other designs men wear, the same for women i wouldn't know what typical ladies knickers are again there are many designs.

Good luck
 
Yeah I was wondering what to do about boxer shorts, which both men and women wear these days! :S
 
Well, if you don't ask, it seems you won't get!

That's some useful advice on technique, but if anyone wears "big pants" - male or female - it's not going to be very satisfactory unless they're prepared to take it off. I once had a couple in, and she asked me to "do my butt", which was fine as she was wearing a thong. The only slight concern was that he was in the bathroom after his massage when she asked - so I was just concerned about whether he knew that she had asked for it... Luckily, by then he was fast asleep!
 
I said in post#32 about the difficulties of boxer shorts.

Anycase, if I have a client with boxer shorts*, I just palm, elbow and forearm roll over that area, then go back to oily massage mode. Simple!

Rp

*with the towel, sheet or sarong on top so the client's thunderpants doesn't get oily ;-)
 
Not sure why we need all the choreography/origami/Heimlich Manoeuvering with towels, boxers, panties, froggie positions and briefs. Sounds exhausting! I think it reflects more about the general attitude of some people to particular aspects of massage than anything else. Whilst not wishing to criticise it because I believe very much in "each to their own", I will only say that I haven't kept my underwear on during a FB massage for years and would not feel comfortable doing so. I always ensure that my glutes are included and avoid therapists who are uncomfortable with this. There are separate issues of draping which seem adequately covered in other threads. I think what is necessary is for therapists and clients to be up front about what they offer so that people are able to choose the right person for them. Then that unwelcome surprise element will be lost!

Have thought of other hates to follow the 10 above:

(1) Leaving mobile phones on during a session;
(2) Worse, answering a mobile phone during a session;
(3) Having the room too cold unless I am thoroughly draped;
(4) Sweating on top of me so that perspiration drops onto my skin;
(5) Massaging with a cold;
(6) Spending 85% of his/her time on my shoulders and upper back to the exclusion of all else;
(7) Claiming to do Reiki when all they do is wave their hands madly in a circular fashion over me for 5 minutes;
(8) Putting so much oil in my hair that I look like I haven't washed it in the last decade;
(9) Having a dirty shower or loo with the treatment room;
(10) Clock watching
 
Wow!
If I had to give a price for the hardships endured I'd have to give it to Maide Marion:
"Sweating on top of me so that perspiration drops onto my skin"
I can't hardly think of anything more disgusting than that happening when one is laying on a massage couch.
Well done for surviving the trauma Marion!
M
 
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    TUESDAY at 𝐀 𝐒𝐏𝐀: Cherry & best massage Rachel 🅰️𝐀 𝐒𝐏𝐀🅰️, 28 South Unionville Ave, Unit 5, Markham. 🅰️𝗖𝗮𝗹𝗹 𝟲𝟰𝟳-𝟳𝟮𝟵-𝟲𝟲𝟬𝟲 𝗼𝗿 𝘁𝗲𝘅𝘁 𝟲𝟰𝟳-𝟴𝟯𝟵-𝟱𝟵𝟲𝟲🅰️ CHERRY is a Vietnamese beauty, standing 1.62Cm tall & weighing 50Kg, with a nice 32C bust size. She is a sexy and charming lady with excellent service. RACHEL is a slim and attractive attendant
  34. bnwellness_wilson:
    Blue Nile Wellness Center, we have 4 young beautiful girls are working today, young cute student Mia 25 years old and young sweet Ivy 28 years old with curve body, sexy Coco and pretty GFE Lina are providing deep tissue and sensual massage, pls call 416-3985777 book appointment and walk in aways welcome, back entrance and parking available, 350 Wilson Ave North York
  35. Dreaminn:
    TUESDAY at 💭𝗗𝗥𝗘𝗔𝗠 𝗜𝗡𝗡 𝗪𝗘𝗟𝗟𝗡𝗘𝗦𝗦 𝗦𝗣𝗔💭: EVA, LULU & TINA. 10225 Yonge St (North of Major Mackenzie), Richmond Hill, ON ☎️ 𝟲𝟰𝟳-𝟴𝟮𝟵-𝟮𝟵𝟴𝟯 ☎️ EVA is a slim, pretty & sexy Asian girl. She has excellent bbbj skills if you are nice and clean, and can perform like a champion. LULU is a very popular & well known Chinese attendant, slim and beautiful with 34C Cups, long sexy legs, and incredible services.
  36. HolidaySpa:
    Tuesday at 🌴😎🌅𝓗𝓸𝓵𝓲𝓭𝓪𝔂 𝓢𝓹𝓪🌅😎🌴3517 Kennedy Rd, Unit 4, Scarborough ☎️𝟰𝟯𝟳-𝟮𝟰𝟳-𝟭𝟭𝟵𝟵☎️: Cindy, Eva & Helen. Cindy is a slim & incredibly sexy lady with a smile that will melt your heart, & an ass that will fire up your spirit. Her services are among the best! Eva is young, slim, innocent & demure looks, but don’t let her innocent looks deceive. She can massage & service very well.
  37. ForeverWarden:
    Tuesday at 🫦❤️🔴🟥♾️𝓕𝓞𝓡𝓔𝓥𝓔𝓡 𝓢𝓟𝓐♾️🟥🔴❤️🫦🫦2190 Warden Ave, Unit 201, Scarborough 𝟰𝟭𝟲-𝟴𝟬𝟬-𝟳𝟴𝟴𝟳: Cindy, Tracy & Vivian. Cindy is a slim beauty, 5’4”, natural C Cups & wonderfully long nipples. Her massage is nice, her bbbj will drive you wild & her cfs finish is a dream come true. Tracy is an incredibly cute & pretty Japanese/Taiwanese mixed spinner, about 5’1” and 100 lbs. She is very popular
  38. Lulu1980:
    Phoenix Blossom spa ♨️♨️♨️ table shower body scrub 👍👍👍We have 3 beautiful young girls working today, young and lovely new girl Emily and Jessica Specialising in table shower body scrub massages and offering deep massages Cici🤗🤗🤗🤗5124 Dundas St W Etobicoke.Please call ☎️416-817-3366 to book and Walk in the back door there is plenty of parking available
  39. Red Rose Spa:
    🌸 We have amazing girls today 🌸 LUCY, MALIYA, NISHA, AMANDA, ANGEL, AAVI, KIRAN, SARIKA 🌸 2588 Birchmount 🌸 2 Invergordon 🌸 647-702-8800 🌸 Please visit for a great erotic massage
  40. SpringGreen.:
    Spring Green Spa - 72 Gerrard St W. 2/Fl - 647-891-0699Today we have 5 girls on Monday:💋💋New hanna young student,💋💋 lisa- Service queen with a banging body that is sure to make heads turn. Angel - innocent GND looks that has a very sensual side to warm things up Coco - Spunky fun in...
  41. Endless Joy Spa:
    ✨✨✨✨✨[GRAND OPENING]✨✨✨✨✨ 💞Endless Joy Spa💞 🎇 (155 East Beaver Creek Rd Unit #8, Richmond Hill) 416-731-8565🎇10am-2am, Young Sexy Slim Chinese Emma, Young Slim Thai Janice, Young Sexy CBC Rachel. Slim Sexy Chinese Kiki, Tall Slim Sexy Chinese Kelly, Young Sexy Chinese Abie.
  42. Sparkling Spa:
    ⚡🌟SPARKLING SPA⚡🌟 ✅50 Lockridge Ave Unit 8✅ 👌Markham, ON L3R 8X4👌 ☎️(905) 604-8186 Spa Land Line☎️ ☎️(437) 446-6688 NEW Spa Cell Phone☎️ (West of Warden & 16th Ave) OPEN 10am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY 🔥✅NEW MANAGEMENT💯NEW GIRLS🔥SUPERSTAR SERVICE QUEENS AVAILABLE AT SPARKLING SPA FOR ALL YOUR MASSAGE AND SPECIAL EXTRA NEEDS🔥💯😘🔥❤️👌 🔥SEXY NEW YOUNG GIRLS ALWAYS WORKING - Today’s Schedule is…🔥 Zoe - 🔥Stunning Tall Taiwanese Service Queen with Endless Passion and Sensuality who Wa
  43. Pink Flower Spa:
    ✰ 416.299.5515 ✰ 3300 McNicoll Ave, Unit #A8, Scarborough 🇻🇳🇻🇳 Selena (New) Vietnamese just 19Yrs, young & curvy, pretty 🇨🇳🇻🇳 Kelly | Elly (New) is Chinese Vietnamese, standing tall with captivating beauty and a radiant complexion 🇮🇳🇵🇭 Mandy | Mady (New) Indian | Filipino 19Yrs, hair to shoulder, pretty face 🇱🇧🇱🇧 A talented Arabian Girl 20Yrs from Lebanon ✰ PINK FLOWER SPA ✰ 416.299.5515 ✰ 3300 McNicoll Ave, Unit #A8, Scarborough
  44. Moneylee:
    All season wellness center :Young girl big boobs beautiful face deep massage Levi ,New Young girl big boobs beautiful face deep massage Baby ,Young girl big breasted beautiful buttocks charming temperament big boobs Yoyo ,Young girl Big breasted saucy naughty Ella ,Enchanting sexy petite deep massage Sherry , address: #5-30 Rambler dr Brampton ,Ontario L6W 1E2☎️4376655510 🦵🦵👄👄🈵🈵👅👅
  45. Moneylee:
    Full season wellness center: Young girl big breasted beautiful buttocks charming temperament big boobs Vita ,Young girl big boobs beautiful face deep massage Bobo, Young girl Big-breasted big Big boobs big butts May,Young beautiful face sexy body and good deep massage maggie,Enchanting sexy petite deep massage Mary. 2560 Shepard ave Mississauga unit 1 .☎️4379857899 👄👄🦵🦵🈵🈵👅👅
  46. Annie Spa:
    🎉🍒ANNIE SPA🎉🍒 ✅7-1001 SANDHURST CIRCLE✅ 👌SCARBOROUGH ON M1V 1Z6👌 ☎️(647) 891-9688☎️ ☎️(416) 291-8879☎️ (FINCH & MCCOWAN) OPEN 10am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY 🔥✅NEW MANAGEMENT💯NEW GIRLS🔥🔥 🔥GORGEOUS NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS - TODAY’s ROSTER INCLUDES: 🔥 Jenny😍 is a beautiful young part-time student with a very sexy figure and big natural 34D breasts. She can give a great massage and very good open minded service. She knows how to please a man with her natural beauty and charm. She is a
  47. Lily Spa:
    ❤️ KAJAL, CAMILLA and KK are here today for your massage needs ❤️ Lily Spa ❤️ 2190 McNicoll ❤️ Scarborough ❤️ M1V 5M2 ❤️ (647) 531-8288 ❤️
  48. KSpa:
    MONDAY at 𝐊 𝐒𝐏𝐀: GIGI, NANA, YUMI & CINDY. Unit B6-4227 Sheppard Ave East Scarborough, ON (Just East of Midland Ave) ☎️ 𝟲𝟰𝟳-𝟳𝟵𝟮-𝟳𝟱𝟲𝟴 ☎️ GIGI is 22Yrs with a sexy body, 36C, 110 Lbs and waiting for you. NANA is a cute pretty Korean lady, about 5’2”, 105 Lbs, 20Yrs with a pretty face and knows how to treat a man well. YUMI is a young early twenties Japanese girl, about 5’2”, medium build
  49. SunriseRH:
    MONDAY at 𝗦𝗨𝗡𝗥𝗜𝗦𝗘 𝗦𝗣𝗔: HANNA & SUMMER. 10 East Wilmot St, Unit 27, Richmond Hill, on ☎️ 𝟲𝟰𝟳-𝟯𝟮𝟱-𝟴𝟬𝟴𝟲 ☎️ HANNA is a young, tall & slim Vietnamese honey with great skills & attitude. SUMMER is an incredibly sweet Asian babe, 5’3” with a captivating 36D-28-39 figure, weighing 108 pounds. Summer has very good massage & services.
  50. Jenny’s Spa:
    🎉🍒JENNY’S SPA🎉🍒 ✅5170 DUNDAS STREET WEST✅ 👌ETOBICOKE ONTARIO M9A 1C4👌 ☎️(647-893-5196)☎️Call or Text ☎️(437-888-3759)☎️Call Only (ETOBICOKE) OPEN 10am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY 🔥✅GRAND OPENING💯NEW GIRLS EVERYDAY🔥EXCELLENT MASSAGE + SERVICE QUEENS NOW AVAILABLE AT JENNY’S SPA FOR ALL YOUR MASSAGE AND SPECIAL EXTRA NEEDS🔥💯😘🔥❤️👌 🔥TWO BEAUTIFUL NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS EVERYDAY🔥 💯REAL PICTURES OF ATTENDANTS💯 🔥TODAY’s ROSTER INCLUDES: Tina😘 - A sweet tiny little treat from Mala
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