Sciatica HELP !!!!!!!!!!!!!

dear razzor

not sure if youve found help yet but there is a fantastic osteopath in burnley his name is mark ratcliffe and he has his on practise and can be found in the yellow pages. he is a member of the osteopath reg so he is a safe bet..
he will give you good advice
hope it helps
karen
 
Have anyone try 'IDD Therapy'? it seems to have great results.
 
Dear Dino,
there are several possible causes of sciatica and presumably your osteopath made a diagnosis before giving you these exercises.
Whilst I'm glad they've done the trick for you, I would have to advise against them for others, as the most common cause of sciatica (see above) could be made worse by doing them. Sciatica is a symptom not a diagnosis - essentially it tells us that there is pain in the back of the thigh, but then any sufferer would already know that - it doesn't tell us the cause.
Unfortunately one size doesn't fit all for this one.

Andrew.
 
Andrew, I find, frustratingly, that so many practiioners give different advice all insisting they are right[&:]I appreciate the training and expertise of Oestopaths and Chiroprators, however, having been to both, and quite a few of them, and had experience of friends and family also having treatment through them, I find they all gave different advice, and what I would personally advise anyone to do who is suffering from Sciatica or any condition where you are treated by either of the above, to go with whoever makes you feel better! In my case, it was the advice I have given above, which by the way, was also used by other people I passed this onto, and it worked for them very well.What works for one often doe snot work for another so it is wise toseek out someone you trust who eases the painand makes youbetter, and that is precisely what I have done.

Dino
 
I agree to say that herniated disc and sciatica account for the majority of back pain problems. First of all, people suffering from it need to recognize it and acknowledge it. And the way to recognize and acknowledge it is to have an MRI done and see a specialist doctor, like neurosurgeon or orthopaedic. The symptoms are pretty obvious, pain radiating into the leg. Limit in mobility, pain while sitting, walking. Leg raise is limitted....

Here is a good illustration of most common spine-disc problems:
[link=http://www.spineuniverse.com/displayarticle.php/article2621.html]http://www.spineuniverse.com/displayarticle.php/article2621.html[/link]

Now, if you have bulging disc, or herniated disc, with or without sciatica, I don't think that seeing a chiro or osteopaths could be any help. Whatever manipulation, it's not going to reduce the herniation, in some case, it could make it go worse.

[link=http://www.spineuniverse.com/displayarticle.php/article2681.html]http://www.spineuniverse.com/displayarticle.php/article2681.html[/link]

The reason is the chiro-osteopath can do whatever they can, they can not create a decompression, a negative pressure inside the disc to suck the herniation back in and seal off the annulus fibrosis. Sciatica is the result of a herniated disc that presses on the nerve root, causing irritation and inflammation spreading out to the leg. The cause is a bio-mechanical compression.
If you really hope to have serious treatmentfrom an chiropractor or osteopath, think again.

[link=http://www.timesonline.co.uk/newspaper/0,,172-2097779,00.html]http://www.timesonline.co.uk/newspaper/0,,172-2097779,00.html[/link]

I have nothing against chiropractors or osteopaths, but I dislike the fact that so many people badly informed, turn to them as first choice hoping for real help and losing valuable time and moneywhen they could have been getting an MRI done sooner and see a specialists doctorand getappropriate advice on treatment options. If you are in pain in more than 6 months then you better get an MRI done as soon as possible to identify and recognize what problems you have and look for some real treatments.

You can easily scroll through tons of posts in the forum to see so many people having been 'treated' by chiropractor and osteopaths and still have pain.

So far, exercises can help to stay active. Gentle stretching is good. Swimming does help.
 
You might want to view the article below.

http://www.spineuniverse.com/displayarticle.php/sciatica-treatment-chiro-3103.html

Whilst treatment results vary for all therapies and medication including surgery I understand that Chiropractic and Osteopathy are extremely safe and amongst the most effective treatments for sciatica (the original issue raised in this thread). Having postural x-rays (standing) advocated by Chiropractors often shows biomechanical dysfunction that prone (lying down) x-rays and sometimes MRI don't show. Waiting lists for an MRI can be up to 6 months in my experience. Gentle stretching just might not provide the quality of life someone wishes, hence a recommendation for advice and possible treatment from a qualified Chiropractor or Osteopath. Another aspect of spinal care to consider is the preventative advice from Chiro/Osteo to prevent further disc pressure in the entire spine through lifestyle modification.

Spinal manipulation receives a lot of dubious press at the minute which should perhaps be investigated rather than simply accepted...we all know of the continual oppression of natural therapy from certain quarters. It's interesting that it is brought up on such a natural health forum. Perhaps there should be more debate within the forum on such issues??? However, I don't think that this would help to resolve issues raised by members.

My wife is currently training as a Chiropractor and I can testify as to the depth of knowledge and training required to qualify being as being immense.

http://www.aecc.ac.uk/college/course_information/index.asp

Your quote of 'tons of postings' seems a little misleading to others if you don't mind me saying.
 
Looking at

[link=http://www.spineuniverse.com/displayarticle.php/sciatica-treatment-chiro-3103.html]http://www.spineuniverse.com/displayarticle.php/sciatica-treatment-chiro-3103.html[/link]
[ul][*]Ice/Cold therapy[*]Ultrasound[*]TENS[/ul]
are part of any normal Physiotherapy treatment, they are aimed to relax the muscle, avoid muscle spasms and relieve the pain, at least for a while. They are not specialties of chiropractic, spinal manipulation is. Spinal manipulation may help for sure if there is misalignment ofvertebral bodies. But most of sciatica condition results from herniated disc and compression on the nerve, in which case, I don't see how spinal manipulation can really help. On the contrary, it can make it even worse:

[link=http://www.chirowatch.com/]http://www.chirowatch.com/[/link]

Me, I wouldn't let anyone crack my back when I'm already in pain.
 
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    โšก๏ธ๐ŸŒŸSPARKLING SPAโšก๏ธ๐ŸŒŸ โœ…50 Lockridge Ave Unit 8โœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒMarkham, ON L3R 8X4๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ (905) 604-8186 Spa Land Lineโ˜Ž๏ธ โ˜Ž๏ธ (437) 446-6688 NEW Spa Cell Phoneโ˜Ž๏ธ (West of Warden & 16th Ave) OPEN 10am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…NEW MANAGEMENT๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS๐Ÿ”ฅSUPERSTAR SERVICE QUEENS AVAILABLE AT SPARKLING SPA FOR ALL YOUR MASSAGE AND SPECIAL EXTRA NEEDS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’ฏ๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ”ฅโค๏ธ๐Ÿ‘Œ ๐Ÿ”ฅSEXY NEW YOUNG GIRLS ALWAYS WORKING - Todayโ€™s Schedule isโ€ฆ๐Ÿ”ฅ Zoe - ๐Ÿ”ฅStunning Tall Taiwanese Service Queen with Endless Passion and Sensuality w
  36. AliceSpa:
    SUNDAY at ๐—”๐—Ÿ๐—œ๐—–๐—˜ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”, 4915 Steeles Ave. E, Scarborough ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿฒ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿต๐Ÿด-๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿด๐Ÿต๐Ÿด: 3 Hot Girls today at Alice Spa: *New Today . ELLA: is a small white young girl from Romania, super super busty EE Cups, blue eyes, blond hair, ok services, bbby cfs. Please call before booking her due to high demand. KIKI: A young, short & petite Taiwanese cutie, firm body, 5โ€™2โ€, natural C Cups. Kiki has strong massage skills & excellent services, amazing bbbj
  37. Moneylee:
    All season wellness center : New Young girl big boobs beautiful face deep massage Shasa,Young girl big breasted beautiful buttocks charming temperament Lala,Young girl big boobs beautiful face deep massage Helen , Young beautiful face sexy body and good deep massage Maggie , Enchanting sexy petite deep massage Sherry,๐Ÿ  address: #5-30 Rambler dr Brampton ,Ontario L6W 1E2โ˜Ž๏ธ4376655510 ๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿ‘…๐Ÿ‘…
  38. Moneylee:
    Full season wellness center: young girl pretty face nice figure Thai deep massage Anika , Student pretty face nice figure Thai deep massage Michelle,Young girl Big breasted saucy naughty Ella, Taiwan girl DD Boobs Thai deep massage lily,Enchanting sexy petite deep massage Mary. 2560 Shepard ave Mississauga unit 1 .โ˜Ž๏ธ4379857899๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿ‘…๐Ÿ‘…
  39. SugarLoveSpa:
    : Sunday at โค๏ธ๐Ÿ’™ ๐Ÿ’œโŽ๐—ฆ๐—จ๐—š๐—”๐—ฅ ๐—Ÿ๐—ข๐—ฉ๐—˜ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”โŽ ๐Ÿ’–๐Ÿ’—๐Ÿ’˜: ANA & CHERRY. 1270 Finch Ave W (at Keele St), Unit 18. North York, ON โ˜Ž ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฑ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด โ˜Ž ANA is a young, short and sweet lady, 5โ€™1 & 105 Lbs, very tight, with a small to medium booty. Ana is a versatile honey who provides great massage, & can accommodate your needs. CHERRY is a young, slim, friendly and absolutely gorgeous Vietnamese beauty, 49 Kgs
  40. Endless Joy Spa:
    โœจโœจโœจโœจโœจ[GRAND OPENING]โœจโœจโœจโœจโœจ ๐Ÿ’žEndless Joy Spa๐Ÿ’ž ๐ŸŽ‡ (155 East Beaver Creek Rd Unit #8, Richmond Hill) 416-731-8565๐ŸŽ‡10am-2am, Tall Slim Sexy Chinese Kelly, New First Day Sexy Chinese Coco, Sexy Chinese Linda, Young Sexy Chinese Abie
  41. Soul Relax Spa:
    โœจClick On Username and FOLLOW USโœ… Today ๐ŸŒธRebecca๐ŸŒธNina โ˜Ž289 - 298 - 5662โ˜Ž๏ธ
  42. Golden Sunshine Spa:
    โœจClick On Username and FOLLOW USโœ… Today ๐ŸŒธSophia๐ŸŒธBrandy๐ŸŒธKarla๐ŸŒธCamila โ˜Ž905 - 265 - 2158โ˜Ž๏ธ
  43. SunriseRH:
    SUNDAY at ๐—ฆ๐—จ๐—ก๐—ฅ๐—œ๐—ฆ๐—˜ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”: JULIA . 10 East Wilmot St, Unit 27, Richmond Hill, on โ˜Ž๏ธ ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฑ-๐Ÿด๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿด๐Ÿฒ โ˜Ž๏ธ JULIA is a slim but curvy Spanish attendant with natural B Cups & a pretty face. She can take a load off your mind. SUNRISE SPA welcomes you to experience total relaxation in our comfortable, clean, cozy environment. Our lovely selection of beauties can totally satisfy your expectations
  44. NewOriental:
    SUNDAY at ๐Ÿ๐Ÿ’š๐—ก๐—˜๐—ช ๐—ข๐—ฅ๐—œ๐—˜๐—ก๐—ง๐—”๐—Ÿ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”๐Ÿ’š๐ŸHAPPY & PHOENIX. 10 East Wilmot St, Unit 26, Richmond Hill, on โ˜Ž๏ธ ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿด๐Ÿญ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด โ˜Ž๏ธ HAPPY is a slim & busty Korean lady with great massage skills & lots of extra fun. PHOENIX is a gentle sweet Filipina lady, 5โ€™4โ€ and 105Lbs, with 34C-24-34 assets and very open minded. NEW ORIENTAL SPA
  45. See You Health Center:
    Lin๐Ÿ’•โ€จVery Young, Petiteโ€จVietnamese Studentโ€จWith Spicy Slim Bodyโ€จ5โ€™ 1โ€, 100 lbs Blonde Hairโ€จGreat BBJ, CIM โ€จ ๐Ÿฅ‘ Sami๐Ÿ’• Gorgeous Model Type CBC Vietnamese School Girl She is 5โ€™ 2โ€ tall, 98 Lbs With D Cup Melons Great Fashion Style and Provides Excellent Customer She is very excited to serve customers โ˜Ž 416-988-2950
  46. Lulu_Villa_Spa:
    Natalie ๐Ÿ’• She is from Philippines CBC Petite school girl Sasa ๐Ÿ’• Very Sexy Vietnamese friendly and milfy . body is amazing and smooth. an incredible ass. ๐Ÿฅ‘ Nancy๐Ÿ’• Vietnamese BBBJ/CIM Queen Natural D+ Cups โ˜Ž๏ธ647-446-0886
  47. Endless Joy Spa:
    โœจโœจโœจโœจโœจ[GRAND OPENING]โœจโœจโœจโœจโœจ ๐Ÿ’žEndless Joy Spa๐Ÿ’ž ๐ŸŽ‡ (155 East Beaver Creek Rd Unit #8, Richmond Hill) 416-731-8565๐ŸŽ‡10am-2am, Tall Slim Sexy Chinese Kelly, New First Day Sexy Chinese Coco, Sexy Chinese Linda, Young Sexy Chinese Abie
  48. lotushubspa:
    Hello, dear customers, today Lotus Spa is located at 10737 Yonge St unit13 and provides female masseuses for customers. Anna, Lily, and Cici provide customers with first-class service and a large number of beauties. Please contact us by phone โ˜Ž๏ธ9052375885 or SMS 4163565876๐Ÿ’‹๐Ÿคช
  49. ASPA:
    ๐—ฆ๐—จ๐—ก๐——๐—”๐—ฌ ๐—”๐—ง ๐—” ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”: EMMA and Best Massage RACHEL.[/color] ๐Ÿ…ฐ๏ธ๐€ ๐’๐๐€๐Ÿ…ฐ๏ธ, 28 South Unionville Ave, Unit 5, Markham. ๐Ÿ…ฐ๏ธ๐—–๐—ฎ๐—น๐—น ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿณ๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿต-๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿฒ ๐—ผ๐—ฟ ๐˜๐—ฒ๐˜…๐˜ ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿด๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿต-๐Ÿฑ๐Ÿต๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿ…ฐ๏ธ EMMA is 1.64Cm. and weighs 52Kg. Emma is sweet and elegant, has very good communication & massage, and her services will make your visit enjoyable. RACHEL is a slim and attractive
  50. ForeverWarden:
    Sunday at ๐Ÿซฆโค๏ธ๐Ÿ”ด๐ŸŸฅโ™พ๏ธ๐“•๐“ž๐“ก๐“”๐“ฅ๐“”๐“ก ๐“ข๐“Ÿ๐“โ™พ๏ธ๐ŸŸฅ๐Ÿ”ดโค๏ธ๐Ÿซฆ2190 Warden Ave, Unit 201, Scarborough ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿฒ-๐Ÿด๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿฌ-๐Ÿณ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด๐Ÿณ: Cindy, Jennifer & Mia. Cindy is a slim beauty, 5โ€™4โ€, natural C Cups & wonderfully long nipples. Her massage is nice, her bbbj will drive you wild & her cfs finish is a dream come true. Jennifer is a tall, slim & pretty Asian babe with natural melons and eraser nipples. She is very open minded.
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