Ontario will have month long lockdown.

There will be 1,000 + new variants.

Why do you guys think there is no vaccine against the common cold?
 
I edited my comment. I did a little research, and found out there isn't a vaccine for the common cold because the viral infection mutates so rapidly that a vaccine wouldn't be very effective.

But I'm thinking if enough people get vaccinated against Covid19, we can stop it from mutating into many different variants.
 
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I have relatives in their 90s in LTC homes. The homes went into strict lockdown. Nobody could go into see them and they obviously werenโ€™t going outside. The home had to construct special outside glassed rooms to visit them and then only 1 visitor at a time. These rooms were in fact a bubble. Only facility staff could go in and out of the home. They are now vaccinated but those visitation conditions still apply. When there is an outbreak in a home they go into isolation protocols quickly and donโ€™t allow commingling, common rooms were shutdown etc. Your Darwinism theory can only be considered if everyone in a home contracted Covid at some point where some survived and others didnโ€™t. But that is not the case and they didnโ€™t all get Covid as the homes did what they could to prevent that. Controls, isolation protocols and vaccinations were their tools.

I agree the LTCs did what they could. But even though they went into lockdowns and didn't allow visitors people were still getting sick and dying. Now since none of the patients were going out and taking the virus back it was obvious that the only way the virus was getting into the facility was from a worker who contracted the virus outside the facility and took it in. But my original statement still stands, not all people in the home got sick and not all people in the home died, and this was during a time before they were vaccinated. So to me, it says some of the people just had an immune system that was able to reject or fight off the virus. I know one of the things they did was reduce the number of people in a room. Normally they would have 4 people in a room, once things became bad they reduced the number to only having two people in a room, which they have continued to do. The homes also stopped taking in new patients even though there are a lot of empty beds at the moment. Just last week or it might have been earlier this week the government told the homes they need to take in 500 new patients to help reduce the burden in the hospitals. This is one of the things tying up beds in hospitals is people waiting to get a bed in LTC homes.
 
Noooooo..... why no more Golf? Golf is the best social distancing sports. Ford is an idiot.

I was out on the course when we heard that the courses would be shut down. Ended up playing and extra nine to try and hold us over for another month and besides, we still had beer left.
 
Exactly!!! I hear both sides of the argument and they're both valid. It comes down to choice. Whether you take the vaccine or not, either way you're taking a risk. If you take it, there's always a possible side effect. If you don't, you may get it and worse, if you're relatively healthy, society will be locked down longer until there'snothing left to reopen. I want my concerts, sporting events, gyms and spas so I will take the risk of getting inoculated. But for the risk to be worth it, most people have to take the plunge. I hope they do. What more can be taken from us that already hasn't been yanked away over the past year? The vax is the last of our worries. But that's just me.

Personally I think you're making a really wise and well informed decision to vaccinate. True there are risks to getting vaccinated or not, but they are very different risks...

If you're healthy and under 70 the risks of getting seriously harmed by COVID are very low, but even so, statistically your covid risks are still massively higher than the risks from the vaccinations which are mathematically close to nil (unless you believe the vaccine program is actually a secret conspiracy to kill off most of the world's population in two years...).

When people forego the vaccine because they are convinced covid won't kill or seriously harm them, they are forgetting something very important: if you don't get vaccinated there is a very good chance you will catch covid sooner or later. And even if you are barely ill or completely asymptomatic, regardless you are now potentially spreading covid to others who are not as healthy as you are, which makes the lockdowns go on and on and on and on... but if enough people vaccinate eventually the virus will not be able to effectively spread, and we get society back.

Ursus can talk a big game about causing a scene with his mask off at the local supermarket, but as you allude his civil disobedience won't help him go to concerts, restaurants, sporting events, gyms, bars, movies, travel, and SPAS!! etc. etc. etc. etc. I find it deeply ironic that the people who complain the most about the lockdowns are unwilling to do the one simple thing to ultimately end them: vaccinate!
 
Ursus can talk a big game about causing a scene with his mask off at the local supermarket, but as you allude his civil disobedience won't help him go to concerts, restaurants, sporting events, gyms, bars, movies, travel, and SPAS!! etc. etc. etc. etc. I find it deeply ironic that the people who complain the most about the lockdowns are unwilling to do the one simple thing to ultimately end them: vaccinate!

Ursus doesnโ€™t talk a โ€œbig gameโ€. He rants and rages and has been that way his whole life. Here he is shopping with his dad years ago

 
The sex industry will eventually be shut down.

You losers think you are winning?
Not at all. They will get to you, eventually.
 
Sybarite,

Vaccinate?

Your vaccine that you are about to take, or have taken, won't be your last.
You will need to get yearly vaccinations for the rest of your life.

Don't force others to live the game you are playing.

Toronto Public Health admitted they are inflated the numbers.
And yet, you still claim to want to get endless vaccinations.
 
If you aren't doing anything wrong you have nothing to worry about.

Or you can act lost and claim dementia. Lol!
No worry. I already have a plan. I am going to tell them I am on my way to my weekly regular prostate treatment.
 
Personally I think you're making a really wise and well informed decision to vaccinate. True there are risks to getting vaccinated or not, but they are very different risks...

If you're healthy and under 70 the risks of getting seriously harmed by COVID are very low, but even so, statistically your covid risks are still massively higher than the risks from the vaccinations which are mathematically close to nil (unless you believe the vaccine program is actually a secret conspiracy to kill off most of the world's population in two years...).

When people forego the vaccine because they are convinced covid won't kill or seriously harm them, they are forgetting something very important: if you don't get vaccinated there is a very good chance you will catch covid sooner or later. And even if you are barely ill or completely asymptomatic, regardless you are now potentially spreading covid to others who are not as healthy as you are, which makes the lockdowns go on and on and on and on... but if enough people vaccinate eventually the virus will not be able to effectively spread, and we get society back.

Ursus can talk a big game about causing a scene with his mask off at the local supermarket, but as you allude his civil disobedience won't help him go to concerts, restaurants, sporting events, gyms, bars, movies, travel, and SPAS!! etc. etc. etc. etc. I find it deeply ironic that the people who complain the most about the lockdowns are unwilling to do the one simple thing to ultimately end them: vaccinate!

Appreciate the reassurance. Let's get society up and running again!

As someone against lockdowns, even I have to ask those who share my views what exactly they propose as a solution to these restrictions? If it isn't the vax, what is it? I sure as hell cannot live the rest of my life in secrecy and defiance of every bylaw thrown my way just to spite the government. Based on conversations I've had with some of these guys, it seems like they would rather be in perpetual lockdown than take the vax. They would rather bitch about it for the rest of their lives than take the shot. Me personally, I can't live like that forever. As you pointed out, the risks are outweighed by the rewards. More have suffered from the virus and its effect on society than they have from the vax.
 
I have relatives in their 90s in LTC homes. The homes went into strict lockdown. Nobody could go into see them and they obviously werenโ€™t going outside. The home had to construct special outside glassed rooms to visit them and then only 1 visitor at a time. These rooms were in fact a bubble. Only facility staff could go in and out of the home. They are now vaccinated but those visitation conditions still apply. When there is an outbreak in a home they go into isolation protocols quickly and donโ€™t allow commingling, common rooms were shutdown etc. Your Darwinism theory can only be considered if everyone in a home contracted Covid at some point where some survived and others didnโ€™t. But that is not the case and they didnโ€™t all get Covid as the homes did what they could to prevent that. Controls, isolation protocols and vaccinations were their tools.
If they are fully vaccinated then to keep them glassed indoors is tantamount to senior cruelty. They have a 0.11% risk of re infection per the latest study results.
 
If they are fully vaccinated then to keep them glassed indoors is tantamount to senior cruelty. They have a 0.11% risk of re infection per the latest study results.
The LTC facilities have not had 100% of the residents get infected with coronavirus. Additionally, there are new variants so the vaccine efficacy is based on the original variant. So โ€œre-infectionโ€ isnโ€™t really an applicable statement.
As for a glass bubble, think of it more like a solarium and you had to talk through the glass. I had to drop off some care packages and itโ€™s really not that bad of a setup as the guest sit outside on chairs and the seniors are wheeled into the solarium. Itโ€™s not a Thai massage parlour fishbowl.

Not sure if youโ€™ve ever been in a seniors home but there are different types with different range in amenities and services. Some are independent living and those are like apartments with living rooms, a kitchenette, separate bedroom, maybe they even have a balcony. These will be marketed as a Seniors community. Assisted living is in the middle where some help is needed. Nursing Homes are for elderly that need a lot of help dressing, bathing, getting dressed, ec. Some residents are completely bed ridden where as others are in a wheelchair or use a walker. Few are independently mobile. The rooms are just a powered bed, dresser with tv, a chair and a bathroom. Walking the halls in these youโ€™ll pass a few rooms where you get a whiff of someone who shat themselves.
 
Just think, the world population has doubled in the last 50 years. That's mind boggling.
No doubt. From an absolute perspective, the main drivers of that increase is China and India who have collectively added 1.4 billion of that almost 4 billion increase. But from a percentage basis the larger populated countries that have been increasing the most over that time period are Nigeria 271%, Pakistan 227% and Egypt 209%. What do they all have in common - predominantly Muslim nations. And between the three of them they collectively have recorded a mere 30,800 covid19 deaths. Makes you wonder.
 
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    GOLDEN FS โ€“ 8380 Kennedy Rd ๐Ÿ“ž 905-258-0777 / 416-688-6886 ๐Ÿ‡ป๐Ÿ‡ณ CICI, ๐Ÿ‡ฎ๐Ÿ‡ณ SONIA (2PM), ๐Ÿ‡ฒ๐Ÿ‡พ AMY ๐Ÿ”Ž View Schedule: bit.ly/flowers_schedule ๐Ÿ›Ž๏ธ Booking Now: bit.ly/bookinggoldenlove
  33. FLOWER Spa - BLUEXADO | Thornhill | VAUGHAN:
    BLUEXADO FS โ€“ #06-1102 Centre St ๐Ÿ“ž 416-357-9797 / 416-678-8668 ๐Ÿ‡จ๐Ÿ‡ด MEGAN, ๐Ÿ‡ป๐Ÿ‡ณ MY LINH, ๐Ÿ‡ป๐Ÿ‡ณ JULIE ๐Ÿ”Ž View Schedule: bit.ly/flowers_schedule ๐Ÿ›Ž๏ธ Booking Now: bit.ly/bookingbluexadolove
  34. FLOWER Spa โ€“ PINK | Scarborough | TORONTO:
    PINK FS โ€“ 3300 McNicoll Ave ๐Ÿ“ž 416-299-5515 / 416-817-3839 ๐Ÿ‡ฎ๐Ÿ‡ท ELINA, ๐Ÿ‡ป๐Ÿ‡ณ KELLY, ๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡ฌ CANDY (12PM) ๐Ÿ”Ž View Schedule: bit.ly/flowers_schedule ๐Ÿ›Ž๏ธ Booking Now: bit.ly/bookingpinklove
  35. Golden Sunshine Spa:
    โœจClick on our Username and FOLLOW US for updates and special services ! โœ… Click Here Today๐ŸŒธAkame๐ŸŒธChristina๐ŸŒธXuka๐ŸŒธLynda๐ŸŒธMilly Call us โ˜Ž 905 - 265 - 2158โ˜Ž๏ธ Your ultimate service awaits! โœจ
  36. Soul Relax Spa:
    โœจ Looking for a relaxing escape? โœ… Click Here Meet๐ŸŒธTina๐ŸŒธIsabella๐ŸŒธMonikaCall us today for the best treatment and service experience. Click on our Username and FOLLOW US for updates ! Call now โ˜Ž 289 - 298 - 5662โ˜Ž๏ธ Your ultimate relaxation awaits! โœจ
  37. SL Spa:
    ๐Ÿ’†โ€โ™€๐Ÿ’–WooHoo Wed๐Ÿ’– Ultimate destination for Asian massages๐ŸŽ‰ Two fab spots: Richmond Hill & Oakvilleโœจ Your passport to paradise with 10 enchanting girls fr China, HK, Japan & Korea โ€” ๐Ÿ†•Luna, Cindy, Coco,Cici, Jenny, Amber, JPN Yui, Akino, Jasmine & Lucyโ€” ready to pamper you๐ŸŽ๐Ÿ Ring us ๐Ÿ“ž647-695-6354 or text us ๐Ÿ“ฑ647-578-8169โœจ 160 East Beaver Cr., Unit 12, RichmondHill ๐Ÿ’ฐWhere Eastern charm meets Western comfort - your bliss awaits๐Ÿ™Œ
  38. Lulu1980:
    Phoenix Blossom Spa ๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน2 girls ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ5124 Dundas St W Etobicokeโ˜Ž๏ธ416-817-3366๐Ÿ‘ Table Shower Sea Salt Bath Body Scrub๐Ÿ˜˜ Japanese girl Nina โค๏ธ Natural Big Boobs 38 DD ๐Ÿ˜˜Pink Mini Nipples Hot body slide, super enjoyable๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜ very provocative service๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜, professional super Luna deep tissue massage, has therapeutic effect to loosen bones and relieve muscle pressure and will bring you unexpected service effects, she will bring you a little surprise๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜โค๏ธYou are welcome to make an appoint
  39. SpringGreen.:
    Today we have 5 girls on downtown Toronto 72 gerrard st west๏ผš๐Ÿ’‹๐Ÿ’‹ New girl gaga Serving The Queen ๐Ÿ’‹๐Ÿ’‹Bunny- Tanned Spanish beauty with large melons and a fun booty too Wendy- exotic goddess with a gymnasts body and corresponding flexibility Jennifer- Exotic beauty with... Call and text 647 891 0699 ask questions Thanks ๐Ÿ’‹๐Ÿ’‹
  40. Jennyโ€™s Spa:
    ๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’JENNYโ€™S SPA๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ โœ…5170 DUNDAS STREET WESTโœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒETOBICOKE ONTARIO M9A 1C4๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ( 647-893-5196)โ˜Ž๏ธCall or Text โ˜Ž๏ธ( 437-888-3759)โ˜Ž๏ธCall Only (ETOBICOKE) OPEN 10am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…GRAND OPENING๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅEXCELLENT MASSAGE + SERVICE QUEENS NOW AVAILABLE AT JENNYโ€™S SPA FOR ALL YOUR MASSAGE AND SPECIAL EXTRA NEEDS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’ฏ๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ”ฅโค๏ธ๐Ÿ‘Œ ๐Ÿ”ฅTWO BEAUTIFUL NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅ ๐Ÿ’ฏREAL PICTURES OF ATTENDANTS๐Ÿ’ฏ ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’‹Limited Time Special Promotion๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’‹ โœ…๐Ÿ’ฆ30 Minutes Nude Mass
  41. Red Rose Spa:
    ๐ŸŒธ We have 5 hot brown girls today ๐ŸŒธ MONICA, PAOLA, MALIYA, MONIKA, AMANDA, ASHA, JAZMINE, PREETI, ANGELINA, KIRAN ๐ŸŒธ 2588 Birchmount ๐ŸŒธ 2 Invergordon ๐ŸŒธ 647-702-8800 ๐ŸŒธ Please visit for a great erotic massage
  42. wilson holistic centre:
    ๐Ÿ’•๐Ÿ’•Beautiful Korean girl working at 382 Wilson Ave ๐Ÿ’•๐Ÿ’•โ˜Ž๏ธโ˜Ž๏ธ416-840-0071โค๏ธโค๏ธ
  43. wonderspa:
    ๐ŸŒบWonder spa,(9421Jane st unit127)call416-5000-800โ˜Ž๏ธbest massage in vaughan,Wednesday RMT available,๐Ÿ’„sexy face young girl Joey natural c cup,very good looking nice body slide,really popular ๐ŸŽlong hair Q Lucy good strong to relax oil massage, Relieve pain and remove stress,more experience,๐ŸŒนvery nice new girl CiCi, amazing the end,give you warm time,must try๐ŸŒน๐Ÿฅค
  44. AliceSpa:
    WEDNESDAY at ๐—”๐—Ÿ๐—œ๐—–๐—˜ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—” 416-298-0898, 4915 Steeles Ave. E, Scarborough 3 very nice girls here today. Open 10am to 9pm: CLOUDIA (11am-8pm): is Vietnamese, young, petite 5'2" & 96 Lbs, B Cup, best rim deep bbbj cim. $40 Room Fee + $80 (incl bbbj & fs). +$20 for rim/cim. Excellent open minded services. DORIS (12pm-9pm): from Taiwan, is young & petite with loing thick black hair, 105 Lbs
  45. Annie Spa:
    ๐Ÿ’‹๐Ÿ˜˜Sexy Petite Korean๐Ÿ‡ฐ๐Ÿ‡ทGirl Eva working with Sweet Beautiful Japanese New Cummer to Canada Feifei ๐Ÿ‡ฏ๐Ÿ‡ต and Sensual Pleasing Busty Coco๐Ÿ‡จ๐Ÿ‡ณtoday๐Ÿ’‹๐Ÿ˜˜Call or text ๐Ÿ“ฒ647-891-9688 or 416-291-8879๐Ÿ“ฒ
  46. EMSpa_schedule:
    Hey! Where have you been? Today (Wednesday), our amazing attendants are Carla โ€, Cici ๐Ÿ˜, Opal ๐Ÿคฉ, Sandy ๐Ÿค— and Yoyo ๐Ÿ˜. Call us at โ˜Ž๏ธ (905) 479-6668 โ˜Ž๏ธ to book your favourite and head on over to 7665 Kennedy Road, Unit 4, Markham!
  47. ForeverWarden:
    Wednesday at ๐Ÿซฆโค๏ธ๐Ÿ”ด๐ŸŸฅโ™พ๏ธ๐“•๐“ž๐“ก๐“”๐“ฅ๐“”๐“ก ๐“ข๐“Ÿ๐“โ™พ๏ธ๐ŸŸฅ๐Ÿ”ดโค๏ธ๐Ÿซฆ2190 Warden Ave, Unit 201, Scarborough ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿฒ-๐Ÿด๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿฌ-๐Ÿณ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด๐Ÿณ: Bella, Cindy & Sasa. Bella is around 5โ€™3โ€ with a thin to medium build, C Cups, and a pleasing personality. She can offer dfk, bbbj and cfs as well as a good massage experience. Cindy is a slim beauty, 5โ€™4โ€, natural C Cups. Her massage is nice, her services will drive you wild & her finish is a dream
  48. HolidaySpa:
    Wednesday at ๐ŸŒด๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒ…๐“—๐“ธ๐“ต๐“ฒ๐“ญ๐“ช๐”‚ ๐“ข๐“น๐“ช๐ŸŒ…๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒด3517 Kennedy Rd, Unit 4, Scarborough โ˜Ž๏ธ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿญ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿต๐Ÿตโ˜Ž๏ธ: FIONA, KIKI & CINDY. FIONA is a slim hottie with long dark hair, great melons and ass, and nice services. Kiki is very attractive, young, about 5โ€™4โ€ and 110 Lbs., slim with a banging body. Kiki is very popular for her great attitude and services. CINDY is slim & incredibly sexy
  49. SugarLoveSpa:
    Wednesday at โค๏ธ๐Ÿ’™ ๐Ÿ’œโŽ๐—ฆ๐—จ๐—š๐—”๐—ฅ ๐—Ÿ๐—ข๐—ฉ๐—˜ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”โŽ ๐Ÿ’–๐Ÿ’—๐Ÿ’˜: SARAH, SUSAN, TIFFANY & VIVI. 1270 Finch Ave W (at Keele St), Unit 18. North York, ON โ˜Ž ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฑ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด โ˜Ž SARA is a beautiful Thai lady with C Cups, 160 Cms and 50 Kgs, with a full set of services to delight you. SUSAN is a small, slim & sexy Latina girl, 5'4" & 116 Lbs, with nice boobs and ass, very versatile services.
  50. ใ™ใฟใพใ›ใ‚“:
    Top notch line up with superstars like sunny , gabby , elena , kiki , Ella and cindy. At top notch wellness
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