Buzzkill in TJ This Weekend

[Pompal 09.]

Fireballs hit the nail right on the head here.

Burp is a nothing as a debater
So if he can't immediately ban people who disagree him...
and remove their points and posts (or even entire threads) he's displayed for the foolishness he supports...Like overpaying for putas and arguing with TJ taxis and policia over $2 overcharges.

Exactly.

A person really has to worry about the quality and balance of information that is allowed to remain on sites moderated by off-balanced zealots that refuse all facts and opinions to be presented.

 

[? Cuddle Fox ? [DRUNK!]]

SMD, I admit I did not read all the posts in detail. You have provided enough and specific details of your "case" against Burt, I will let him counter it if he comes back to the forum, we dont want to lose guys who engage in heated debates !

Kitty Freak provides good common sense advice, Thanks

Fireballs, now that you have toned down your rhetoric against Burt, he just might come back, and then we can have another bout I will politely decline the opportunity for being the "Judge", I am just a Debate organizer ! I only try to make sure that the debates continue
Havent seen Sampson posting on the board lately.

And where the heck is Larry ! I hope he has returned from Costa Rica or Phillipines or wherever the heck he has gone. Tell him the Miami girls still miss his Baila !

 

[Individual]

This is so dependent on the person and the situation.

I am saying use common sense. If you or anyone with you has been drinking that night, even if you do not feel that you/they are drunk, DO NOT ARGUE. It would be easy for a TJ cop to bust you or your pal for public drunkeness just because the cop is pissed off.

If you (or anyone with you) has any weapons, prescription meds or other potential CONTRABAND on their person or in their vehicle- do not argue. You could easily spend time in a TJ jail trying to get this straightened out.

If you lose your temper in your dealings with cabbies/club/bar/hotel staff or police then that could result in a visit to the slammer or a serious $$ shakedown (I have seen this happen on a few occasions).

You are not in the USA once you cross that line. Different rules apply. We Americans are used to a level of law enforcement professionalism that is wholly absent in TJ. In TJ corruption is rampant and the US government will not help you. Why take a chance- you could easily be tossed in a jail and suffer embarrassment and expense (lawyer, bribes, bail, etc) because you pissed off the wrong policeman.

To each his own. Peace.

 

[Zorro]

Well Bohemian Burt and me were kinda looking for you to settle the agument. I said a few posts back, Bohemian better not call me a 'daredevil' again, because Burt's the real daredevil, willing to engage TJ cops, and taxi drivers he preceives of doing him wrong over even $ 2 dollars even if the odds looked stacked against him. Then Burt listed all the reasons why I"m the real daredevil and looked for Bohemian as the judge.

Oh well I guess it doesn't matter, as it looks like Burt might have quit this fourm. He has shown this behavior before when others question his behavior and he preceives that as personal attacks. I think he got spoiled from from being a Admin/MOD on aonther site and having the ability to delete posts he doesn't like?

Sampson also appears like he left with Burt, although he did come back for one post? The only thing SMD and myself did point out was that doing 'escorts' in Tijuana, is a little bit more dangerous then a trip to the zona because you are doing it outside the zona. But nobody said to avoid escorts, just be more careful, and know most of these girls don't carry health cards, and are operation a little outside the law, but ther risks are very low especially when working with Sampson's escorts.

So will see if Sampson comes back, or decides to stay away because he doesn't want to see any negative talk at all against escorts, nor people callling Burt out on a few of his dangerous practices in TJ.

SMD and myself also hinted at a few rumors that are out there about Burt about his run ins with TJ cops and others, but if he doesn't want to discuss those rumors, that everyone on those litle private sites know about, that's ok with me. If a guy wants his privacy I'll respect that and won't discuss rumors that I don't have all the facts on.

 

[Evja Teacher]

I'm surprised that you are asking me this bohemian. Have you read this thread?

I have numerous posts within this thread, and they clearly reflect my position.

burt was carrying BP medicines without being in possession of a prescription.
burt was traveling with a buddy in a taxi libra to la linea and when he and his buddy arrived the libra driver asked for $4.

burt thought this was way too much money and was willing to argue with the taxi driver and even bring a TJ policeman into the fray when one or both of these gringos were carrying hundreds of dollars.

All I can say is "WHAT AN IDIOT!"

You've got to smartly choose when to oppose and when to surrender to the annoying little scams.
After all, he was not in Kansas!

burt made more than a dozen posts defending his actions.
burt even criticized his bud ea$y for paying the $2 that was in dispute.
Denial (or de "Nile") is not just a river in Egypt.

If burt would come clean with some HONESTY behind the bribes he actually has paid in TJ, and the past problems he has faced by attempts to meet with hookers in other parts of TJ, readers here would have a much more 'facts based" guidance on the risks they face and consequenses they could endure from following burt's idiotic advice.

 

[July]

SMD, I think Burt is not around to refute your allegations or he choses to ignore. Are you saying Burt was wrong in advocating being tough with dishonest taxi drivers and Chicas ?

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But when it came down to being totally honest, and disclosing
1). whether he had ever gotten into trouble trying to meet an whore in TJ outside LZ, or
2). paying any bribes in his (burt's) past - and how much...

burt instead decided to bail from this discussion completely. [/QUOTE]

 

[The Godfather]

Very well put Darius ! I agree on this, personally I have always used the polite but firm tactic. For all the bad that is written about TJ cops even they will not f**k around with you if you have nothing to hide.

[The problem with this mentality is that often you can be moving on in almost the same amount of time if you don't offer a bribe. If you haven't done anything wrong and they are just fucking with you to get offered a bribe, just be polite and firm. the last two times I was shaken down while driving I was cooperative, got their name, and never offered them a bribe, both times it was about 10 minutes and I was on my way, no bribe, no ticket. If you want to pay an unnecessary bribe, fine, that is what most people do, but I wouldn't advise it.

If you have done something that will get you thrown in jail then $20 isn't going to cut it.

 

[ch3z_s]

The problem with this mentality is that often you can be moving on in almost the same amount of time if you don't offer a bribe. If you haven't done anything wrong and they are just fucking with you to get offered a bribe, just be polite and firm. the last two times I was shaken down while driving I was cooperative, got their name, and never offered them a bribe, both times it was about 10 minutes and I was on my way, no bribe, no ticket. If you want to pay an unnecessary bribe, fine, that is what most people do, but I wouldn't advise it.

If you have done something that will get you thrown in jail then $20 isn't going to cut it.

 

[love bug]

I laugh when we Americans talk about being right or our rights. When you are a guest in Mexico and you get nabbed, pay the fucking bribe and move on. Would you pay $20 for your freedom and the right to return to your life, or do you want to gamble that you woun't be thrown in jail, butt raped, catch a STD (the uncurable type), but you know you were right? The Geico Gecko say, "Yes please take my $20 and let me get on with my life"

 

[Marisa]

Of course it makes no sense to argue in TJ over chump change.

There was really only one chump (burt) who was willing to do that (and advocating that others follow suit. ).

But when it came down to being totally honest, and disclosing
1). whether he had ever gotten into trouble trying to meet an whore in TJ outside LZ, or
2). paying any bribes in his (burt's) past - and how much...

burt instead decided to bail from this discussion completely.

 

[badspeller]

As a non-regular to this board, you guys are pretty well bonded, clearly so you are caught up in your own little personal rivalries and so on...(boring) but this whole dialogue is a bit silly.

Most gringos heading south speak about 6 words of spanish and they learned those at Taco Bell. Arguing (hopefully very politely) with a cop or even a cab driver is only an option if you can speak at least functional spanish. The less spanish you speak, the more you overpay in TJ. Period. If you are fluent, or at least proficient, in spanish you can generally talk your way out of being hustled. Period. If you are not- don't argue with a cop or cabbie in English and NEVER lose your temper. I wll pay 99% of the time. I am not going to jail over some chump change. It just ain't worth it. Fuck principles- this is whoring anyways.

 

[YoungPiscean]

Sampson wrote:

Well I knew something happened with the yellow cabs and escorts agencies, but I believe it's the first time we got details? Yeah, that's a shame the yellow cabs tried to pull that crap at the border as you enter Tijuana.

But against it only strengthens my case that there is at least a little bit more danger using the wrong escort agency, then just jumping in a cab and taking it to AB. Now you say you taken steps to take away that risk, and that's good, as I said before it wasn't cool that a lot of escort agencies were using Mc Donald's, and you also say you don't use Mc Donald's so that's good news.

Sampson you live in Tijuana, I know how upsetting it can be for a taxi driver asking you for $ 7 dollars when you are alone, and can take the same trip for a lot less. Once a yellow taxi driver told me and my friend it would be $10 to the zona $ 5 dollars each, only because we were speaking English. I got pretty mad and was about to jump out, but my friend told me to cool it he is paying and if the guy wants $10 dollars no problem. I still don't agree with what my friend did but you should have seen the taxi driver kiss our ass, took my friend to buy cigars, took me to get ED medicine, and asked if there was anything else he could do? Tipping taxi drivers isn't a custom in Tijuana, however tipping is, and since there are so many of us Americans in TJ the taxi drivers come to expect it from us, and I it makes me feel better when I leave a tip. Now the other story, I could never agree with that.

 

[Squirtle]

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Here are a few things I found on the internet talking about prostitution in General in Mexico and specifically in Tijuana. Yes lot of it is decriminalized but with so many rules out there, we might as well says it's illegal except in the zona, and notice they didn't use that stupid word 'manifestation' as I never seen that word when referring to Mexican prostitution, but we know what they mean.

Thanks Melonbag for clearing lots of things up. I knew there were at last four guys stopped outside the zona for being with a sex worker, and I suspect many more were stopped and I bet many paid a bribe? However, I'm not sure any were taken before a judge and forced to pay a fine, I somehow doubt it. But in the link Amigomio provided us on tourist law information it's obvious somebody is paying a fine for prostitution related crimes, as that is in the top 10 infractions in Tijuana, along with pissing in the street.

I don't know how Burt can differentiate from Melonbag and Byron being with a hooker outside the zona, and somebody being outside the zona with an escort? Burt must think regular hookers and MP girl dress and act like whores and attract attention and escort don't attract any attention at all? I think beautiful girls always attract attention, especially when they are with older rich men; cops aren't stupid they know what's going on and could investigate?

Yes Melonbag I agree with you when you say, " Whether the law really exists is a different subject altogether?" From your discussions with the MP girl, who I'm sure isn't dressed like a whore, it would seem so to be against the law? Hopefully one of us will challenge the TJ cops and the law one day and find out?

 

[relswete]

I was stopped once for that reason. When I was searched and found clean, the cops said my infraction was being with a hooker outside of the zone. Maybe this was the last ditch attempt to extort money from me? Another time, my amigo was also stopped for that when he was with a MP girl.

And when I hung out with a MP girl, she would warn me that the cops may try to stop us and extort money for being with a chica outside of the zona. She would prepare me with a phony story on how we knew each other from the US, as she was nervous about getting stopped with me.
That is usually the reason they give me why they won't hold hands or have any displays of affection when in public (insert joke here).

I have asked several girls in my hotel room if this ever happened to them. Every time, they said yes from their own experiences or that they heard of cops doing this from their acquaintances.
Why is this so hard for people to believe? Cops are corrupt and this is just another case of them being corrupt. Whether the law really exists is a different subject altogether. But the game is played by the cops.

I seem to remember that Byron got nailed after he finished with his chica and he was leaving the hotel, walking to a cab. But even if he was walking to the hotel, I am not sure how that would make a difference.
I am not aware of a monger being brought up in front of a judge and being fined for this, just like I am not aware of a monger being fined for carrying a Viagra.

I don't know why this subject pisses so many people off.
Anyways, it pays to be prepared for the worst. Nothing wrong with that.

 

[CeciMoon]

I only claimed that guys had been stopped and hasseled with chicas outside of La Zona. I made no claim about escorts. Show me where I did???

But it does follow that if a monger can get in trouble on prostitution related charges outside of La Zona in TJ, that meeting hookers in TJ outside of La Zona when the solicitation originates publicly somewhere - LIKE THE INTERNET! - could lead to problems.

And aren't TJ policia often little opportunists - just waiting for the opportunity to extract money???

Let's see who's being disingenous here burt...

You want to come across as this bravado guy telling newbies not to beware of TJ's finest...
Or not to beware of seeing chicas-for-pay outside of La Zona.

Have you had any trouble EVER with trying to hook up with a provider outside of La Zona?

Have you ever paid a bribe to the Policia involving your freedom or your pals freedom?

Lets be totally honest here burt.

 

[Mujer Alta]

You’re the one who is being “disingenous.”

I’ve cited examples of mongers getting in trouble for breaking the law regarding public manifestation of prostitution. Those posts also explain that hooking up with a escort is not public manifestation of prostitution.

You know full well I was talking about problems meeting up with escorts, Not problems when guys get caught in the act of public manifestation of prostitution with BGs, strippers, trannies, etc.

I asked for examples of mongers meeting escorts who’ve had problems. You guys given me examples of problems hooking up stippers, trannies, etc. Guys who were caught red handed violating the law regarded public manifestation of prostitution—something I claim that doesn’t happened when hooking up with an escort in public.

BTW, I'm still waiting for you to cite "NUMEROUS reports of mongers getting stopped and hasseled" when they're with escorts outside the ZN.

 

[Orchid Quynh Lan]

I usually carry a reserve while in TJ; that's something Ea$y knew about. As I said, Ea$y was never in danger of losing a significant amount of money.

 

[gibson_sg345]

Alright Fireballs, I finally "tracked" the post which brought down the site ! I think your record lenghty post here was the culprit
Interesting observation about Americans. I would say Americans are generally the nicer and good folks in the world (debatable, and dont ask that to the Arabs ) But we do have many bad apples as happens. Fair play and justice is built in the American psyche, but then we also have enough Psychos who go around shooting people for nothing !
I was amused to read about Burts "alleged" run ins with the Taxi drivers, Chicas and others as described by Fireballs.
About buying expensive drinks for Girls, I hate that when the girl just overtly and ruthlessly uses you without your permission ! I would agree with Burt on that. Most I hate is when you sit with the girl and all these Meseros, Vendors keep pestering you all the friggin time !

 

[BabyPIe]

Ugly American definition from Wikipedia :

There are different kinds of ugly Americans. The ones most we are familiar with are the loud, obnoxious and drunk Americans waling the zona, Saying stuff like, hey baby how about a fuck, here is 10 cents?' He is saying this to an SG while she is looking disgusted at him, while him and his friends were laughing. Another different kind of ugly American you may or may not be familiar is customer service issues. For example I was on a bus in Cabo, taking it to San Jose, it's a long ride over 20 miles, and the cost is $2 dollars, a cab wants about $30 dollars. While these older looking rich people staying at the Hilton get on the bus with me and 90% locals, and this old due tries to only pay $1 dollar, and the bus driver tells him it's $2 dollars, and the old dude starts screaming at the bus driver how he is trying to cheat him because he is an American! Finally the bus driver lets the guy have his way, and the other people don't even pay attentions.....me I'm seething mad with rage and embarrassed over this idiots behavior. Burt also gave us an example about an ugly American in his post below, I'm glad because we will talk about some of those examples, as I'm sure we all know what bad behavior is, as we see people shout over their eggs being too cold, or their toast not right.

There is a fine distinctions of being assertive and being a jerk, we'll see if any lines were crossed with Burt's examples, you be the judge, but remember look at it from a Mexicans point of view in Mexico.

A quote I remember from Burt's crazy friend Ea$y is 'Burt is a very nice guy, but pity the poor taxi driver who tries to short change Burt, because Burt goes nuts." ( I'm not sure it its' an exact quote as I'm doing it from memory?) In my opinion Burt is a little crazy when it comes to taxi drivers, he writes, how if a taxi driver doesn't put on the meter, Burt will step out of the taxi and shortchange the guy, giving him $ 1. 50 dollar claiming that's what I paid the other guy." I remember another adventure with Burt and Ea$y, where they both jump in a taxi libre and settle on the price back to the border for $2 dollars, when they get out of the cab, the taxi driver wants $4 dollars two dollars each. Ea$y at first says no, so the taxi driver gets out of the cab and starts screaming at them to give him $4 dollars or he'll call those TJ cops over that are always at the drop off. Ea$y caves in, knowing getting cops involved can never be good, Burt on the other hand wants to fight it out with the taxi driver, feeling he is in the right. You know that's just asking for trouble, besides that the fare is always more then just $2 dollars even if the meter is on, and now most taxi libre guys want $5 dollars to take you back to the border. The guys should have paid $ 4 dollars and just though the trip is worth $3 dollars and the one dollar as a tip for the taxi driver who makes almost nothing...getting TJ cops in a fight over $2 dollars isn't the way to go.......but you be the judge.

The pharmacy incident: Burt reminds me of Michael Douglas in the moving 'Falling down." where Michael Douglas character as run ins with just about everybody. The pharmacy clerk told him the price, but charge him a higher price according to the receipt, meaning the extra money would go to the store. Looks to me this could be an honest mistake, and any normal person would point it out to the clerk and get it corrected. Not Burt he demands his money back. You know he is mad, because he wouldn't demand his money back, so you just know he is raising his voice, and if you were a customer in the store you would be shaking your head asking what the fuss about? So of course the store owner is going to yell at Burt too thinking he is making a fuss about something less then $2 dollars again. Burt obviously feels that they are trying to take advaneforum.xxxe of him because he is a gringo.....you be the judge.

The bar incident: the girl, or the cheating bitch depending on your view. She asked for a drink, and Burt's OK with that, thinking he'll take her upstairs later to fuck, what's $ 7 dollars. The bargirl changes her mind, and wants an expensive drink, it most be 'red bull' as they are the most expensive drinks, that go for $ 11 dollars. You just know that Burt is upset as he already suspects something going on when the waiter and BG talked to each other.

I really don't think it's a big deal $ 4 dollars difference in the price, just don't buy her another one. I would just take her upstairs and fuck her for the extra $4 dollars worth. You know most guys get ficha fucked all night long that's just part of the game. I had this bitch in Hong Kong, get me for four tequilas in five minutes are she was downing one right after other. I just said, OK let go upstairs, and she was wonderful. I don't think Burt did that one, as when I remember it the first time I thought he actually paid for the drink, and then walked out in a fit. But what would happen if it were a regular date and she wanted an expensive dinner, girls do this crap all the time and sometimes it's best to play it cool. You decide?

The bar incident reminds me of something that happened to me when I turned 21. I went to San Francisco with some from high school and we visited an old coach who quit teaching and joined the FBI.. We of course made him take us to a strip club one of those day. While in the club I left my friends and talked to this stripper, she asked if I could buy her a drink, and I said sure. The waiter came back with a bottle of champaign and wanted $100 dollars, I had like $ 60 dollars in my pocket, and I refused to pay, and here came the bouncer telling me I better pay up. Finally my old coach turned FBI came over took out his badge and asked what the trouble was and the bouncer backed off......now that was real scary shit to a young guy like me at the time.

It sure doesn't sound like Burt got laid that night, and that's what is is about finding a nice girl and spending time with her, and not sweating the small stuff, but I guess everybody is different.

 

[Pompal 09.]