Who first introduced the idea of a TRINITY of god(s)? Does this doctrine

[danman]

alone make all relgious views suspect? How can anyone suggest that a pagan idea that started some 3000 years prior to christianity be believed as truth today?

 

[Stainless Steel Rat]

Your doctrine is kinda weak too. You should look at your own philosophy before you go around attacking other religious cults. How about all of those predictions about the end that never came true? President Eisenhower left your organization because of failed prophecies. That would make the WTS false prophets.

 

[Micah]

A Dictionary of Religious Knowledge notes that many say that the Trinity "is a corruption borrowed from the heathen religions, and ingrafted on the Christian faith." And The Paganism in Our Christianity declares: "The origin of the [Trinity] is entirely pagan."

That is why, in the Encyclopædia of Religion and Ethics, James Hastings wrote: "In Indian religion, e.g., we meet with the trinitarian group of Brahma, Siva, and Visnu; and in Egyptian religion with the trinitarian group of Osiris, Isis, and Horus . . . Nor is it only in historical religions that we find God viewed as a Trinity. One recalls in particular the Neo-Platonic view of the Supreme or Ultimate Reality," which is "triadically represented." What does the Greek philosopher Plato have to do with the Trinity?

For a more detailed explanation on the trinity please view the link below.

http://www.watchtower.org/e/ti/article_04.htm

 

[SALVAGED]

http://www.godandscience.org/doctrine/spiritgod.html

?????? noun - nominative singular neuter
pneuma pnyoo'-mah: ghost, life, spirit(-ual, -ually), mind.

For the fullness of DEITY, not GODHEAD.

The Bible tells us that the Holy Spirit is God's own Spirit. The Eternal Spirit, which is uncreated. This selfsame Spirit dwelled in the flesh of Jesus Christ. The Bible tells us, Hear O Israel, the Lord thy God is One. His Holy Spirit is Eternal Life. In Jesus was Life and that Life was the Light of men.

Only One God - 1 Timothy 2:5, Deuteronomy 6:4, Psalm 86:10, 1 Corinthians 8:4&6, Malachi 2:10, Ephesians 4:6, Romans 3:30, Mark 12:29, James 2:19, Ephesians 4:5-6 (not enough to believe in one God, you have to believe in the one TRUE God), Mark 12:32 (Jesus is even says there is one God). Deuteronomy 32:39, Isaiah 43:10-11, Deuteronomy 4:35&39, Luke 18:19, Mark 10:18, 1 Kings 8:60, Psalms 86:10, Isaiah 44:6&8. Isaiah 45:5-6, Isaiah 46:9, Isaiah 47:10, Isaiah 45:14,18,21,22.

Remember and note that God is omnipresent and omniscient.

The Trinity is Tertullian's diagram to help better explain God. I think it falls short. God is the Father, so I don't see why God, and the Father, are separated in Tertullian’s diagram. It's not that difficult. God is the Father. The Bible also tells us in John 4:24 & 2 Cor. 3:17 that God [is] a Spirit. There is Only One Spirit, and the unchanging nature of God is Goodness, Truth, Love, and Life. The Holy Spirit of God the Father, dwelled in true human flesh (through Jesus Christ, the Son). Jesus is fully God and fully man. He possesses both a human mind and also the nature (Spirit) of God. He bypassed the seed of Adam, so He did not adopt the cursed nature which was inherent in all mankind. The curse of Jehoiachin (Jeconiah, Coniah) meant that no physical descendant would succeed him to the throne (Jeremiah 22:28-30). Matthew 1:1-17 traces the genealogy of Christ through Solomon and Rehoboam to His legal (but not His physical) father Joseph. No son of Joseph could sit upon the throne of David, for he would be under the curse of Jehoiachin. Luke 3:23-38 traces Christ’s lineage (genealogy) backward through Mary (His physical parent) through David’s other son Nathan (Luke 3:31), thereby avoiding the curse. See Romans 5:12-14 and also Hebrews 7:8-10 (a father represents his descendants in the Bible, sometimes people refer to this with the term “Federal Headshipâ€). Jesus was like Adam and Eve were before the fall, untainted by sin. He is called the sinless spotless lamb. Even when satan tried to tempt Jesus in the wilderness, when Jesus seemed weak and most susceptible, Jesus did not sin. Legitimately, Jesus was human. His human flesh was formed in Mary’s womb. He is God in deity (God in Spirit), fully operating as a human being. Jesus was tired, felt hungry, and even cried. Jesus was begotten by the Holy Spirit of God, endowed with the very essence of God Himself. His man nature was placed in submission to the Spirit of God, which was within Him.

To help people better understand how this was possible, God provided a powerful symbol, when He placed His presence in the Ark. God incorporated symbols, rituals, traditions, holy days, prophesies...etc... which would all help to point to Jesus Christ. God did not destroy what He had done, He simply fulfilled it. Jesus wanted us to see what was beyond His flesh and see Who He really Is. Jesus alone is able to be the perfect mediator, because He is fully God and fully man. A mediator represents two parties and Jesus represents both and was able to bridge or reconcile mankind to God, through Himself. God didn't take any shortcuts. He did what was required for us to receive salvation, and this is by no other means than by the means which God has accomplished it. One of the prerequisites for priesthood is that one had to be human (Hebrews 5:1). Jesus doesn't ask us to do anything He wasn't willing to do Himself. He is the High Priest who is able to sympathize with our weaknesses, for He experienced them. Ref: Hebrews 4:15. Jesus showed us how we should treat others, how we are to communicate with God, and what we should truly value. God humbled Himself greatly for our sakes. We have to remember that although God was present in the flesh of man, this did not negate His omnipresence. God wasn’t operating in different modes at different times. “Blessed is He, who comes in the name of the Lord.†Also see John 17:26.

 

[Sara]

Satan wanted to be worshipped and perhaps he was next after the creation of Jesus. So by establishing a trinity of God's with all equal power. Who would stand to be a part of that trinity?
Since he had great power in heaven other wise why was he chosen to rule over the earth?

So from mankind's beginning in the garden the people worshiped a trinity of God's.
Satan's desire to be worshipped was so strong he knew he was giving up eternal life to do it.
So wouldn't it stand to reason that this belief would be in every religion on the earth? Because he has inspired most religions on the earth today.
However, that is not what the bible says:

Trinity

Colossians 1:15*He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation;

Acts 7:54*Well, at hearing these things they felt cut to their hearts and began to gnash their teeth at him. 55*But he, being full of holy spirit, gazed into heaven and caught sight of God’s glory and of Jesus standing at God’s right hand, 56*and he said: “Look! I behold the heavens opened up and the Son of man standing at God’s right hand.â€￾

Revelation 1:1 A revelation by Jesus Christ, which God gave him, to show his slaves the things that must shortly take place. And he sent forth his angel and presented [it] in signs through him to his slave John,

 

[patsy s]

I don't know who started it but it's no such thing as God in 3 persons.. (Isaiah-9-6) For unto us a child is born, unto us a Son is Given, and the Government shall be upon His Shoulder; and His Name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The MIGHTY GOD, The Everlasting FATHER, and the Prince of peace, All in ONE PERSON, His Name: Jesus Christ: Besides Him, there is none other:

 

[The Khan]

God is ONE. Read it clearly, it's ONE. Just one. There is no second, no second and no second.

The moment you have a plural of it or association of it, the very definition of the word God becomes void. But in the English language the word GOD comes with association (like GODSON, GODESS, GODFATHER etc), we use the word 'Allah' (Arabic) to address the creator.

Remember one thing, don't cheat yourself following a book, whose authenticity is divine but the contents are a subject of dispute in regard to tampering/forgery etc.

And it's not a book of a classroom that you fail by a year. It's the book of life and will be carried for the hereafter when it comes to it's deeds.

The concept of Trinity is a mockery and few of them are so innocent to believe it.

Try Islam, it's time you open your eyes and read The Quran.

 

[Preacher's Neice]

The word "trinity", (along with rapture, among others), is not found in the Bible. But this does not mean that the concept is not taught there. The word "bible" is not found in the Bible either, but we use it anyway. Likewise, the words "omniscience," which means "all knowing," "omnipotence," which means "all powerful," and "omnipresence," which means "present everywhere," are not found in the Bible either. But we use these words to describe the attributes of God. So, to say that the Trinity, (or rapture), isn't true because the word isn't in the Bible is an invalid argument.

No Trinity in the Bible, Huh?

* Matt. 28:19, "Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit," (FATHER, SON, HOLY SPIRIT)

* 1 Cor. 12:4-6, "Now there are varieties of gifts, but the same Spirit. 5And there are varieties of ministries, and the same Lord. 6And there are varieties of effects, but the same God who works all things in all persons." (FATHER, SON, HOLY SPIRIT)


* 2 Cor. 13:14, "The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit, be with you all." (FATHER, SON, HOLY SPIRIT)


* Eph. 4:4-7, "There is one body and one Spirit, just as also you were called in one hope of your calling; 5one Lord, one faith, one baptism, 6one God and Father of all who is over all and through all and in all. 7But to each one of us grace was given according to the measure of Christ’s gift." (FATHER, SON, HOLY SPIRIT)


* 1 Pet. 1:2, "according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, by the sanctifying work of the Spirit, that you may obey Jesus Christ and be sprinkled with His blood: May grace and peace be yours in fullest measure." (FATHER, SON, HOLY SPIRIT)


* Jude 20-21, "But you, beloved, building yourselves up on your most holy faith; praying in the Holy Spirit; 21keep yourselves in the love of God, waiting anxiously for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ to eternal life." (FATHER, SON, HOLY SPIRIT)

Stlll want to say that there is No Trinity in the Bible?

I don't think so.

 

[Unsilenced Lioness]

pondering

What I love most about being an Ex Jehovah's Witness and not committed to any particular organization is that I can ponder everything that I believe for higher reasoning and still be OK with God

I do not have to adopt any belief as fact and because I know that a belief is just that, a belief and I could be wrong and have many times in the past been wrong.

I keep an open mind

do I believe that God came to us in the form of Christ...yes...could I be wrong...absolutely....does it matter ...I don't think so.....seeking heart is what matters

 

[Darrin]

God did in the book of Genesis.......
In the beginning "Elohim" created.
Elohim is a plural noun for God.
Further it reads let "us" create man in "our" image...........>

 

[Susanna LIVES]

who first??? yeah that would be the Holy Living Word of God of course
the Bible tells us God said we’re to baptize in Matthew 28 in the name of God, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.
Like light, our “One God†is revealed in the three distinct persons of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. “For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one†(1 John 5:7 NKJV).

Paul frequently referred to the three separate persons of the Godhead. "The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Ghost, be with you all" (2 Corinthians 13:14). "How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?" (Hebrews 9:14).
If the Holy Spirit is simply some divine force, then why is it even more offensive to blaspheme against the Holy Spirit, and even more fatal, than speaking against the Son? “Therefore I say to you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven men. Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man, it will be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come†(Matthew 12:31, 32 NKJV). By definition, blasphemy is “a contemptuous or profane act, utterance, or writing against God.†By this simple deduction, the Holy Spirit must be God! This is also why Peter said that to lie to the Holy Spirit is to lie to God (Acts 5:3, 4).
The Holy Spirit can be a witness (Hebrews 10:15). In any court of the world, only living beings can be called witnesses. Finally, the Holy Spirit is said to have His own mind (Romans 8:27).
We can clearly see the Holy Spirit is not simply a force, but the third divine person of the Godhead. Though a spirit, He has all the characteristics of a person and individual. The Spirit is plainly portrayed as a being who speaks, teaches, guides, makes choices, witnesses, comforts, and can be grieved. “The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Spirit be with you all†(2 Corinthians 13:14 NKJV).



"Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost" (Matthew 28:19).
For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one†(1 John 5:7). Granted, it is a brain exercise to grasp that one God (“Heâ€) is also, and equally, “They.†Like one rope with three united strands, the three persons of the Father, Son, and Spirit make up the one God.
Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Each is God (Ephesians 4:6; Titus 2:13; Acts 5:3, 4), yet there is one God. The removal of one person destroys the unity of the whole.
In Isaiah 6:3, the angels around God's throne cry "Holy, Holy , Holy" three times—once for the Father, once for the Son, and once for the Holy Spirit.
“And ye are Christ's; and Christ is God's†(1 Corinthians 3:23). “But I would have you know, that …the head of Christ is God†(1 Corinthians 11:3). The Son constantly receives His glory, power, throne, and prerogatives as Judge from the Father. The Son constantly receives His glory, power, throne, and perogatives as Judge from the Father (John 3:35; John 5:22). Indeed, it was God the Father that “gave†the Son. In fact, while it might not be wrong, we are never told to pray to Jesus or the Spirit—but instead to the Father in the name of the Son. Yet just because the Father seems to have supreme authority, it does not in any way diminish from the divinity of Jesus and the Spirit. That would be like saying that a corporal is less of a soldier than a sergeant.
The Father wants to glorify the Son. The Son lives to glorify the Father, and the Spirit lives to glorify the Father and Son (John 17:1, 5; John 16:14; John 13:31, 32).


there is MORE than ample Biblical support Friend, although it may be hard to grasp, It is so
Have a Great monday

 

[Nate]

I believe that God, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost, have been involved in humanity since Adam and Eve. Thus, they would have known about the Trinity (three separate beings yet one in purpose) since the beginning of time. People throughout time have chosen to reject God's teachings and have created their own beliefs, which could include the pagan belief system. They still keep a lot of the same ideas and themes that came from the original religion, which is why there are so many religions today that have very similar theologies.

I am Christian, specifically a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (Mormon) and so this is where I get my beliefs and my opinion on your question. I understand that you may not believe in God or religion, but I hope this helps you understand how a Christian might believe about this idea.