We seem to love the challenge

[MisterMister]

What is it about us men. There are lots of places to go for what we are looking for, but we are always lookin' for the next best thing and often that is about finding a massage therapist we can persuade to do more than she advertises for, even if she states clearly in her ads she doesn't provide extra services.

Over the years I have had pretty good success I guess at that, not sure why. Maybe because I am patient, always pleasant to the woman and I will go see her a few times before getting on to asking for more. A friend of mine who is a RMT confided in me that she gave a few extras to a couple of her fav regulars that had seen her for quite some time and then after ward they stopped seeing her, so she stopped. I get whatever I want from her but we are friends so that is different.

Some women will never do extras and of course that is their choice. Some can be persuaded but then suffer from regret, which is not really what I want to cause. Then there are a few who actually love making a man feel good and if the stars are aligned will do so.

I am currently in a long running text change (long running means months) with two therapists. Both have been mentioned on this board as not providing extras beyond what they advertise. One of them who has always been adamant she won't do extras is starting to soften. Out of the blue one day she sent me a couple photos of her, not x rated but very sexy pictures. The other one is now talking to me about maybe, stress maybe, we could do it all. Why? I am not sure. I just keep texting and talking about normal stuff, not just sexual stuff. Maybe there is a lesson there for us.

Don't ask me who the two are. I won't say. I promised them that, and I keep promises.

Do any of you have similar stories to share?

 

[Cabinman]

It's the softening economy ...fewer customers..plus you're a nice guy...notice how many full service providers are advertising as massage therapists...because money is drying up in these parts I was at Costco today...wasn't busy at all...cashier told me it's slowing down...

 

[MisterMister]

Yes I am sure the economy is a factor though you wouldn't know it on CAF where most the providers still want 300 per hour. Crazy.

But I think it is not just that. Why would one of the RMTs send me two very racy pics, full body with face and semi nude. I didn't pay for them, haven't even seen her yet. And the other one is now talking to me about full services at no extra fee.

I think sometimes women actually want to please a man and to be treated well, not just as an object and when you do treat them well, they are willing to share back and provide some, if not all, what they know we men desire.

 

[JR16]

MisterMister, best new thread I've read in weeks. SO sick of reading about Sunny...and Cherry...and Xiaoping...and La Bella...and all these places that have been beaten to death already on this forum. I envy your position but will also be the first to say great job in how you've managed to work yourself into the position you are today. As for those 300/hr women, give it time. They are living on very borrowed time at those rates. The stupid money is gone for a long long time.

 

[ChaosFactor]

What is it about us men. There are lots of places to go for what we are looking for, but we are always lookin' for the next best thing and often that is about finding a massage therapist we can persuade to do more than she advertises for, even if she states clearly in her ads she doesn't provide extra services.

I think there are 2 types of men the loyal and the hunter. The loyal fellow finds a provider he is happy with and no matter what cultivates the relationship further and sticks with the person hoping that it can/will grow to another level and an even bigger payout, the hunter goes in looking for what he wants and if he does or does not get it moves on to the next challenge, there is no long term thought.
Of course the occasional swap will happen where the loyal person tries someone new only once and the hunter will stick with a provider longer than usual but in the end our true nature usually wins out.
I think both of these personality types can have their problems, the loyal guys if attached to the wrong girl get taken advantage of as they happily spend their money on subpar service or at vastly over priced rates. This is why the girls on CAF can continue to charge $300 per hour because they may only have 10 loyal guys a month but that is still $3000 cash that is almost guaranteed! This is also why some RMT's can charge $60+ for a basic HE because they know there is a certain segment of their customer base who will pay it happily even if her quality dips and if the girl does not enjoy providing HE then at least it is worthwhile financially to her.
The hunter types problem is we are always looking for the next best thing and because of that we rarely build bonds with any one practitioner thus never getting close and perhaps never getting premium service or something else. Because hunters jump around they have a wider range of comparisons but are also the ones to have higher standards of what they want and because of this are often disappointed or end up wasting more money in many more locations.
There is one more rare type and that is the customer who is combined they have a regular provider they see once or twice a month but also hunt other providers out, these are typically the men with more money then the masses.
So Mister on CAF there is a mixture of hunters and loyals but I think the people who are on this site primarily fall into the hunter category and that is why we try to persuade. The ones who are happy going to the same provider regularly have no reason to look on sites like this.
I can't remember which member it was but one mentioned in a thread that he had been seeing Summer for an extended time and knew of no one else until he came across this forum and now his eyes have been opened. How many people are out there like that? More than Hunters I would be willing to wager.

 

[Rubmegood]

What is it about us men. There are lots of places to go for what we are looking for, but we are always lookin' for the next best thing and often that is about finding a massage therapist we can persuade to do more than she advertises for, even if she states clearly in her ads she doesn't provide extra services.

Over the years I have had pretty good success I guess at that, not sure why. Maybe because I am patient, always pleasant to the woman and I will go see her a few times before getting on to asking for more. A friend of mine who is a RMT confided in me that she gave a few extras to a couple of her fav regulars that had seen her for quite some time and then after ward they stopped seeing her, so she stopped. I get whatever I want from her but we are friends so that is different.

Some women will never do extras and of course that is their choice. Some can be persuaded but then suffer from regret, which is not really what I want to cause. Then there are a few who actually love making a man feel good and if the stars are aligned will do so.

I am currently in a long running text change (long running means months) with two therapists. Both have been mentioned on this board as not providing extras beyond what they advertise. One of them who has always been adamant she won't do extras is starting to soften. Out of the blue one day she sent me a couple photos of her, not x rated but very sexy pictures. The other one is now talking to me about maybe, stress maybe, we could do it all. Why? I am not sure. I just keep texting and talking about normal stuff, not just sexual stuff. Maybe there is a lesson there for us.

Don't ask me who the two are. I won't say. I promised them that, and I keep promises.

Do any of you have similar stories to share?

Great post MM. I wish I had your "gift of gab" to establish a better rapport with providers. Sometimes, though, with newcomer asians communication is very difficult. It certainly IS an interesting business for both RMT and customer. It's one of those "chicken or the egg" arguments. Does better service drive up prices or do higher tips drive up service quality? And conversely, do we as customers have any chance in trying to demand good service for a lower price? I would like to think we can but then, if RMT's can't make a decent buck they'll just quit and reduce the "supply" side of the equation and drive the prices back up. Sounds like a great thesis for a Marketing student!

 

[ron7801]

interesting turn of events....
to me it sounds that its more of a relationship now rather than a business transaction.

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[Bob the Knob]

The fun of finding a new experience is very much a turn on. Yeah some you won't go back to, but if you find a gem that offers a great time at a reasonable fee, then repeats in the cycle of providers that fit that profile are likely.

Otherwise the one time deals are all fun for the most part.

 

[Guy2013]

I think there are 2 types of men the loyal and the hunter. The loyal fellow finds a provider he is happy with and no matter what cultivates the relationship further and sticks with the person hoping that it can/will grow to another level and an even bigger payout, the hunter goes in looking for what he wants and if he does or does not get it moves on to the next challenge, there is no long term thought.
Of course the occasional swap will happen where the loyal person tries someone new only once and the hunter will stick with a provider longer than usual but in the end our true nature usually wins out.
I think both of these personality types can have their problems, the loyal guys if attached to the wrong girl get taken advantage of as they happily spend their money on subpar service or at vastly over priced rates. This is why the girls on CAF can continue to charge $300 per hour because they may only have 10 loyal guys a month but that is still $3000 cash that is almost guaranteed! This is also why some RMT's can charge $60+ for a basic HE because they know there is a certain segment of their customer base who will pay it happily even if her quality dips and if the girl does not enjoy providing HE then at least it is worthwhile financially to her.
The hunter types problem is we are always looking for the next best thing and because of that we rarely build bonds with any one practitioner thus never getting close and perhaps never getting premium service or something else. Because hunters jump around they have a wider range of comparisons but are also the ones to have higher standards of what they want and because of this are often disappointed or end up wasting more money in many more locations.
There is one more rare type and that is the customer who is combined they have a regular provider they see once or twice a month but also hunt other providers out, these are typically the men with more money then the masses.
So Mister on CAF there is a mixture of hunters and loyals but I think the people who are on this site primarily fall into the hunter category and that is why we try to persuade. The ones who are happy going to the same provider regularly have no reason to look on sites like this.
I can't remember which member it was but one mentioned in a thread that he had been seeing Summer for an extended time and knew of no one else until he came across this forum and now his eyes have been opened. How many people are out there like that? More than Hunters I would be willing to wager.

Couldn't have said it better myself, I have always recognized myself for the hunter you describe. Over the years many a time I have frequented a RMT who did not initially provide extras, once they finally did I found I grew bored and had to move on. For that reason I find it best to ration my visits to the Sunny's and Vivian's as so not to grow weary of them to fast. Frankly in some ways it is a curse as I do envy the guys who have developed an ongoing bond with their providers.

 

[Bob the Knob]

I have found the same situation where I have become too regular and it just isn't as exciting anymore. Love the ladies and the services but the spark dwindles.

They are all fantastic ladies, but if I am going to pay to get my rocks off, I don't want that to drop to the point nothing happens.

 

[TBone]

I definitely like the challenge. I find there is much more "ymmv" from rmt's than with escorts, and I can usually can get a lot of mileage

I've found some ladies that will initially refuse extras will warm up over time, and a couple of my favorites now are one's who initially said no, and are known for not doing extras. Plus it's nice knowing I am one of a select few who get her extra services. One lady I see has told me I am the only one she does extras for, she has sworn me to secrecy.

Another experience, on the first massage she was talking about how she just got engaged, etc, etc, no extras at all, but she gave a good massage, she was attractive and had a decent rate so I kept seeing her. After a couple more visits her massage turned a little more sensual and I was able to sweet talk my way into a happy ending. The time after that it was a BJ and I didn't even ask!

There is definitely more of a thrill of the hunt with this than with escorts where you go in knowing you are going to get laid.

 

[Cabinman]

That is very true!... And nice

 

[ChaosFactor]

I definitely like the challenge. I find there is much more "ymmv" from rmt's than with escorts, and I can usually can get a lot of mileage

I've found some ladies that will initially refuse extras will warm up over time, and a couple of my favorites now are one's who initially said no, and are known for not doing extras. Plus it's nice knowing I am one of a select few who get her extra services. One lady I see has told me I am the only one she does extras for, she has sworn me to secrecy.

Another experience, on the first massage she was talking about how she just got engaged, etc, etc, no extras at all, but she gave a good massage, she was attractive and had a decent rate so I kept seeing her. After a couple more visits her massage turned a little more sensual and I was able to sweet talk my way into a happy ending. The time after that it was a BJ and I didn't even ask!

There is definitely more of a thrill of the hunt with this than with escorts where you go in knowing you are going to get laid.

Hey Tbone would those ladies be Asian or non Asian? Give us some hope that Non Asians will offer a HE Then again I wouldnt have the patience to wait it out lol

 

[Albertaman]

In the RMT world, the YMMV factor is truly what makes things exciting from time to time. Because it is driven more by mutual chemistry and not by options menus and pre-determined pricing/tips, in my experience, with patience, good hygiene, not kissing and telling ever (total discretion), one can discover some satisfying choices. These experiences may not be for ever, but they can last for years in some situations, mirroring a Friends with Benefits situation. They work best when one goes in for massages always expecting a great massage, but not the same type of afterplay each and every time. Allow each session to go wherever it may go. Remember that a woman has her own thoughts, needs and situation that day, that moment that may be quite different than the last time or the next time. But, I do expect a great massage, first.

One additional item: Should anything develop, I never ask of her interactions with other clients just as I would never mention anything to her about another masseuse (other than, if asked, that another masseuse's massage is not that deep or not as good). Should they pipe up to tell me, that I am the exception that they are providing some additional benefits to, I take this information with a grain of salt. Or I classify it as BS. If it were truly an exception there would be no need to say so and I feel no need to ask.

 

[ChaosFactor]

Very well said Albertaman!