the Massage Envy of Chair Massage?

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Did anyone pursue the listing by globalbodyworks.com listed in Employers Looking for Therapists?They are offering a whopping $28 per hour, and claim it is more than half of what they are getting from the client company.When are people going to stop charging $1/minute - or LESS!!
 
the Massage Envy of Chair Massage?

R&R,I hate to say this but I think it all has to depend on the metro area you're working in. Cost of living varies so greatly city to city/state to state. Charging $1/minute for chair massage if perfectly fine in a LOT of areas and is actually the going/expected rate. I notice throughout your various posts since having found this site that you really wish EVERYONE would charge more for chair massage but you really can't get frustrated for folks charging "the norm" for their area. Not sure why it upsets you so...Be well,Jen
 
the Massage Envy of Chair Massage?

$28/hr for chair? Eww.I charge $1/minute ($60/hr) which is still $20 more per hour than table massage in my area. Most people drop their jaw at $5 for 5 minutes, saying I charge too much. They don't bat an eye at paying $30 for a full set of nails and polish. ::)
 
i actually agree with relax. i think it undervalues what we do. i've been a therapist for almost 9 years now, & the going rate when i was in school was a dollar a minute. at what point do we deserve a 'raise' as a group? and furthermore, what other profession out there has been working for the same money for the last 9 years?as for the company, not for me  ;D thanks anyway آ 
 
the Massage Envy of Chair Massage?

The "norm" is set by the therapists, and too many of them sell themselves short. Why would I not be upset by this? it limits my ability to make a living. Everyone gripes about WalMart driving the Mom & Pops out of business with their lower prices - it should not be OK for mom & pops to give it away and affect the ability of others to thrive.Seforum.xxxg lives in a very affordable part of the country and charges $1/minute, which is MORE that the situation I was referring to (which happens to be a corporate paying event in South Florida and Atlanta).This forum is to help therapists thrive, and 90% of the struggles are driven by low rates. Want your spa to pay you more, they have to charge more, but if sole practitioners give it away, spas have to price accordingly.
 
I think this issue has more to do with the public's perception of massage than therapists selling themselves short.  There are plenty of good therapists struggling just to teach their communities about the benefits of massage, and not making much money.  Some people are happy to do this - they feel a calling to educate people about a way to enhance their lives!  If we all lived in progressive locations, maybe we'd all be making more money, and people would flock to us, and we'd all be wealthy, but that's just not the way it is.  America has been too conservative for too long, and doctors have become gods in this country.  My own family doctor has said to my own grandmother that I'm not qualified to touch his patients!Also, our country is not in its best state right now.  We are fighting two wars, and millions of people are out of work, and these aren't just lower-class citizens.  I'm content being thankful that my brother made it out of Afghanistan alive after 13 months of combat, and that I have a nice apartment, and I'm not going hungry.What we do is very important, but I don't think (no offense) arguing over how much we charge per minute is the issue.  I think our intentions and our credibility are far more important issues to getting us where we would like to be financially.  We can't get financial recognition until we acheive credibility.
 
the Massage Envy of Chair Massage?

The price you charge has a lot to do with your credibility.Low prices - particularly in a field like massage - connote lack of licensure, working under the table or worse, something not worth charging for.once upon a time, Made in Japan = cheap, shoddy. These days, low prices = cheap, shoddy
 
The cost of living only keeps going up, and it impacts all of us as MTs, and our clients.  The fact is that Americans want value!  Charge what you like, but you really have no right to blame anyone.I received a very good eduaction, and I'm charging $50/hour for table massage, and I plan to charge $1/minute for chair.  My table rate is slightly less than the going rate in the area for the big spas for one reason, the local economy is suffering.  I want to bring in those who need massage, but have a difficult time affording extras, which is precisely what a lot of people think massage is!  This goes right back to credibility...we need to be more worried about educating the public about the true benefits of massage, that it should be part of their healthcare, over what everyone is charging!I became a massage therapist becuase I believe in its power to heal, not because I want to make $100,000/year.
 
R&R, what would be the appropriate amount for me to charge in my town for chair massage? A lot of the time, seems like I can't get anyone on the chair even when it is FREE!  While we're on a subject, maybe not the same subject, how do you get the people that are on the chair to make the trip to the home office to hop onto the table?  And, what would be the appropriate amount to charge?  I'm in Rochester, MN
 
the Massage Envy of Chair Massage?

We don't! Chair massage does not = table massage.We don't believe chair massage has anything to do with any other spa or therapeutic service. We offer chair massage to corporate accounts, only. We don't do it at spa parties. We don't do it for free ANYWHERE - someone is always paying us to be there because it is NOT going to turn into referrals.If you think of it in restaurant terms, chair massage is chips and salsa. Table massage is a nice entree. Giving one away does not sell the other. They usually take the free food and go somewhere else to get the entree they want.Your chair massage rates should be at least as much as your office rates, if not higher. Why? To make up for downtown/no shows. Because you are going to them. Because you may have to find someone to work with you to handle a large group/client and that has to be worth at least $30/hour pain and suffering for you. Because you are either dealing with the company - which means you have to wait to get paid, or you are collecting multiple payments which is a hassle and more costly.Seforum.xxxg charges $40/hour when you come to his spa, but $60 for chair. Those rates may be appropriate for his part of TX, but the important thing is the spread between the two.I am always astounded at how chair massage companies - not just sole practitioners - do major tradeshow events and charge clients $1/minute (magicians at tradeshows get $100 per hour and more). These companies spend up to a million dollars to create a tradeshow booth, transport it, staff it and hand out goodies. Do you think they care if they spend $8,000 or $12,000 for chair massage out of that budget? Not a chance! But because Infinite Massage and their ilk are too timid to charge what is it worth, Fortune 500 companies think it should be $1/minute everywhere by every practitioner.
 
the Massage Envy of Chair Massage?

We don't believe chair massage has anything to do with any other spa or therapeutic service.

If you believe chair massage has no therapeutic benefits, then why do it?  
 
the Massage Envy of Chair Massage?

If you believe chair massage has no therapeutic benefits, then why do it?  

You are exactly right, Breathe. I said there is no linkage between the two, so there is no reason to discount one in hopes of getting the other to happen.

As for pricing, even in Portland $1/minute is too low. Most day spas charge $80 - $90 an hour and most sole practioners are in the $60 - 65 range. So why do you charge the same or less to TRAVEL to your client, where you are likely to have NO SHOWS you can't collect on and scheduling takes 4x the effort?

Would you charge your office rate to do a one hour housecall? You charge MORE for the same drive, less set up/change over time, less scheduling hassle, less payment hassle and always recoup a NO SHOW. And what if you chair client needs a second therapist? You have to find the, coordinate their schedule, handle their payments, hope they show up on time, pay them for no shows and for what? Maybe $20 an hour because you are only charging $60 and have to pay at least $35 to make it worth anyone's time.

It just does not make sense not to charge more for chair massage. It is more work in every sense of the word!
 
the Massage Envy of Chair Massage?

i have done a corporate party, paid by them every year for 5 years. this is a major cable company that serves my area.i have yet to receive one table massage from any of the participants (approx. 30-40 people)~ even though they love it, look forward to it every year, and pick up biz cards and service menus.i can cite pretty much every single corporate account i have done, and just once got a table massage out of it.chair does not turn to table.
 
the Massage Envy of Chair Massage?

I like the idea of charging $5 to get on the chair and a $1 a minute thereafter.As for seated massage not having any therapeutic benefits...hogwash! As soon as you put your hands on a person, you effect their metabolic balance, changing it. Granted, effect is more limited because we've only a few minutes to work, but I've relieved plenty of people with neck strain, headaches, and other pains with a a 15-minute tune-up.As for chair massage being a guarantee of future table business, nothing is a guarantee. But, at least with a chair session, the client is able to feel the quality and energy of your touch (including those hard to reach, ewww!-another-guy-touching-me guys).
 
the Massage Envy of Chair Massage?

You might want to consider doing your block pricing on overall usage.Our clients do a 40 - 100 hour contract for the year or half year, all hours at the one rate. It makes it easier for people to budget, small depts don't feel like they are being punished for being small and it creates an incentive for the company to find ways to use your service.
 
the Massage Envy of Chair Massage?

I received a very good eduaction,

I'm not trying to sound rude, and I know it was just a simple typo, and that it happens to me all the time, but I thought the above quote was ironically funny.
 
the Massage Envy of Chair Massage?

Ah, yes...I am not in it for the money. When I hear that, I show them the door. The first thing they will do is nickel and dime you - "Reimburse my parking", "pay me for the one 10 minute chair massage no show".Nothing gives credibility more than success. If you are busy you are good. May not be true, but try to convince others of that! If you are always available, jump through hoops to get a one off client, and cut your rates when it is slow your clients will treat you accordingly.I could not agree more. Charge to the hilt, then give away your money. You even get a tax write off so you have more money to give away!As for the non-philosophical question - block pricing. We do it several ways. Company subsidized - they pay upfront their share of the hours in the contract and employees pay their "co pay" at time of service. So we collected $1500 before starting but only $80 for 8x 15 mins. sessions at time of service.For 100% company sponsored events - after each event, the organizer (be it HR, a department head or team manager) gets sent an invoice for X hours x Y contract rate. They pay in 30 days or we accept a CC. Each month the HR manager who signed the contract gets an account status of hours used / hours remaining.
 
the Massage Envy of Chair Massage?

I'm not trying to sound rude, and I know it was just a simple typo, and that it happens to me all the time, but I thought the above quote was ironically funny.

lol
 
the Massage Envy of Chair Massage?

I only transposed two letters.
 
the Massage Envy of Chair Massage?

R&R, I am a new therapist thats trying to start up a chair massage business. The problem that I am having is that many companies see it as a one time "thank you" or some other special event for the employees. Not a wellness program/benifit that should be on going. How can I bridge that gap?
 
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    ⚡🌟SPARKLING SPA⚡🌟 ✅50 Lockridge Ave Unit 8✅ 👌Markham, ON L3R 8X4👌 ☎️(905) 604-8186 Spa Land Line☎️ ☎️(437) 446-6688 NEW Spa Cell Phone☎️ (West of Warden & 16th Ave) OPEN 10am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY 🔥✅NEW MANAGEMENT💯NEW GIRLS🔥SUPERSTAR SERVICE QUEENS AVAILABLE AT SPARKLING SPA FOR ALL YOUR MASSAGE AND SPECIAL EXTRA NEEDS🔥💯😘🔥❤️👌 🔥SEXY NEW YOUNG GIRLS ALWAYS WORKING - Today’s Schedule is…🔥 Zoe - 🔥Stunning Tall Taiwanese Service Queen with Endless Passion and Sensuality who Wa
  32. Dreaminn:
    FRIDAY at 💭𝗗𝗥𝗘𝗔𝗠 𝗜𝗡𝗡 𝗪𝗘𝗟𝗟𝗡𝗘𝗦𝗦 𝗦𝗣𝗔💭: KELLY, LULU & TINA. 10225 Yonge St (North of Major Mackenzie), Richmond Hill, ON ☎️ 𝟲𝟰𝟳-𝟴𝟮𝟵-𝟮𝟵𝟴𝟯 ☎️ KELLY is a young & pretty Asian girl, very slim model figure, 5’3” with unreal bbbj skills & very liberal services. LULU is a very popular & well known Chinese attendant, slim and beautiful with 34C Cups, long sexy legs, and incredible services.
  33. SugarLoveSpa:
    Friday at 𝗦𝗨𝗚𝗔𝗥 𝗟𝗢𝗩𝗘 𝗦𝗣𝗔: Sasa & Tiffany. 1270 Finch Ave W (at Keele St), Unit 18. North York, ON ☎ 𝟰𝟯𝟳-𝟯𝟲𝟱-𝟮𝟲𝟴𝟴 ☎ SASA is la slim young beauty with C Cups and many services available. TIFFANY is an amazing slim petite doll with natural 34C melons, slim waist, & a cute little booty. Tiffany has incredible bbbj skills, tastes as sweet as honey, and can drive you wild.
  34. bnwellness_wilson:
    Blue Nile Wellness Center, we have 4 young beautiful girls are working today, young cute Tina with curve body and young Pretty Sally, fun EFG Lina and young sweet student Summer are providing deep tissue and sensual massage, pls call 416-3985777 book appointment and walk in aways welcome, back entrance and parking available, 350 Wilson Ave North York
  35. SunriseRH:
    FRIDAY at 𝗦𝗨𝗡𝗥𝗜𝗦𝗘 𝗦𝗣𝗔: HELEN & SUMMER. 10 East Wilmot St, Unit 27, Richmond Hill, on ☎️ 𝟲𝟰𝟳-𝟯𝟮𝟱-𝟴𝟬𝟴𝟲 ☎️ HELEN is a young, slim & very sexy Vietnamese lady. She not only looks good, she IS good. SUMMER is an incredibly sweet Asian babe, 5’3” with a captivating 36D-28-39 figure, weighing 108 pounds. Summer has very good massage & services.
  36. NewOriental:
    FRIDAY at 🍏💚𝗡𝗘𝗪 𝗢𝗥𝗜𝗘𝗡𝗧𝗔𝗟 𝗦𝗣𝗔💚🍏: HAPPY, LULU & PHOENIX. 10 East Wilmot St, Unit 26, Richmond Hill, on ☎️ 𝟲𝟰𝟳-𝟯𝟴𝟭-𝟮𝟲𝟴𝟴 ☎️ HAPPY is a slim & busty Korean lady with great massage skills & lots of extra fun. LULU is a friendly and very sexy Vietnamese girl with natural B Cups, and a slim to medium frame. She is a lot of fun, and can be wild at times.
  37. ASPA:
    𝗙𝗥𝗜𝗗𝗔𝗬 𝗮𝘁 𝗔 𝗦𝗣𝗔: 𝗔𝗺𝘆 & 𝗯𝗲𝘀𝘁 𝗺𝗮𝘀𝘀𝗮𝗴𝗲 𝗥𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗲𝗹 🅰️𝐀 𝐒𝐏𝐀🅰️, 28 South Unionville Ave, Unit 5, Markham. 🅰️𝗖𝗮𝗹𝗹 𝟲𝟰𝟳-𝟳𝟮𝟵-𝟲𝟲𝟬𝟲 𝗼𝗿 𝘁𝗲𝘅𝘁 𝟲𝟰𝟳-𝟴𝟯𝟵-𝟱𝟵𝟲𝟲🅰️ AMY is young and very friendly, standing 158 Cms. with 34C Cups and a very nice bum. Amy is a very popular student, young, sexy, and open minded. She is in demand for her good massage
  38. HolidaySpa:
    Friday at 🌴😎🌅𝓗𝓸𝓵𝓲𝓭𝓪𝔂 𝓢𝓹𝓪🌅😎🌴3517 Kennedy Rd, Unit 4, Scarborough ☎️𝟰𝟯𝟳-𝟮𝟰𝟳-𝟭𝟭𝟵𝟵☎️Cindy & Lina Cindy is a slim & incredibly sexy lady with a smile that will melt your heart, & an ass that will fire up your spirit. Her services are among the best! Lina is very well known for her great services and her impressive shapely ass. Come and see why! You will be glad you did.
  39. ForeverWarden:
    Friday at 🫦❤️🔴🟥♾️𝓕𝓞𝓡𝓔𝓥𝓔𝓡 𝓢𝓟𝓐♾️🟥🔴❤️🫦 2190 Warden Ave, Unit 201, Scarborough 𝟰𝟭𝟲-𝟴𝟬𝟬-𝟳𝟴𝟴𝟳: Cindy, Mia, Nana & Sasa. Cindy is a slim beauty, 5’4”, natural C Cups & wonderfully long nipples. Her massage is nice, her bbbj will drive you wild & her cfs finish is a dream come true. Mia is a Caribbean service queen temptress with incredible curves & very friendly attitude. She is able to bbbj like a queen
  40. Annie Spa:
    🎉🍒ANNIE SPA🎉🍒 ✅7-1001 SANDHURST CIRCLE✅ 👌SCARBOROUGH ON M1V 1Z6👌 ☎️(647) 891-9688☎️ ☎️(416) 291-8879☎️ (FINCH & MCCOWAN) OPEN 10am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY 🔥✅NEW MANAGEMENT💯NEW GIRLS🔥🔥 🔥GORGEOUS NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS - TODAY’s ROSTER INCLUDES: 🔥 Yoyo 😍is beautiful tall sexy student. She has nice bum and very good massage and has great playful service. Such a beautiful sexy smile. She knows how too please you with her slim sexy body and bring joy and happiness😍Real pictures of Y
  41. Lulu1980:
    Phoenix Blossom spa ♨️♨️♨️ table shower body scrub 👍👍👍We have 3 beautiful young girls working today, young and lovely Mia and Jenny Specialising in table shower body scrub massages and offering deep massages Cici🤗🤗🤗🤗5124 Dundas St W Etobicoke.Please call ☎️416-817-3366 to book and Walk in the back door there is plenty of parking available
  42. Red Rose Spa:
    🌸 We have 7 hot brown girls today 🌸 PAOLA, ASHA, PAYAL PEARL, MALIYA, NISHA, ANGEL, RAVEN 🌸 2588 Birchmount 🌸 2 Invergordon 🌸 647-702-8800 🌸 Please visit for a great erotic massage
  43. Lulu1980:
    Phoenix Blossom spa ♨️♨️♨️ table shower body scrub 👍👍👍We have 3 beautiful young girls working today, young and lovely Vicy and Cici Specialising in table shower body scrub massages and offering deep massages Helen 🤗🤗🤗🤗5124 Dundas St W Etobicoke.Please call ☎️416-817-3366 to book and Walk in the back door there is plenty of parking available
  44. LittleMan:
    Best massage in Oakville/Burlington?
  45. SpringGreen.:
    Spring Green Spa - 72 Gerrard St W. 2/Fl - 647-891-0699Today we have 5 girls on Thursday:New girl Judy 💋💋 Vittoria- Sweet school girl with a large serving of naughtiness Apple-Slim beauty with long legs and nice proportions Julia- Exotic...
  46. Lily Spa:
    ❤️ SANA, SARIKA and KK are here today for your massage needs ❤️ Lily Spa ❤️ 2190 McNicoll ❤️ Scarborough ❤️ M1V 5M2 ❤️ (647) 531-8288 ❤️
  47. Jenny’s Spa:
    🎉🍒JENNY’S SPA🎉🍒 ✅5170 DUNDAS STREET WEST✅ 👌ETOBICOKE ONTARIO M9A 1C4👌 ☎️(647-893-5196)☎️Call or Text ☎️(437-888-3759)☎️Call Only (ETOBICOKE) OPEN 10am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY 🔥✅GRAND OPENING💯NEW GIRLS EVERYDAY🔥EXCELLENT MASSAGE + SERVICE QUEENS NOW AVAILABLE AT JENNY’S SPA FOR ALL YOUR MASSAGE AND SPECIAL EXTRA NEEDS🔥💯😘🔥❤️👌 🔥TWO BEAUTIFUL NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS EVERYDAY🔥 💯REAL PICTURES OF ATTENDANTS💯 🔥TODAY’s ROSTER INCLUDES: Anna😘- A stunning sexy girl from Hong Kong
  48. Sparkling Spa:
    ⚡🌟SPARKLING SPA⚡🌟 ✅50 Lockridge Ave Unit 8✅ 👌Markham, ON L3R 8X4👌 ☎️(905) 604-8186 Spa Land Line☎️ ☎️(437) 446-6688 NEW Spa Cell Phone☎️ (West of Warden & 16th Ave) OPEN 10am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY 🔥✅NEW MANAGEMENT💯NEW GIRLS🔥SUPERSTAR SERVICE QUEENS AVAILABLE AT SPARKLING SPA FOR ALL YOUR MASSAGE AND SPECIAL EXTRA NEEDS🔥💯😘🔥❤️👌 🔥SEXY NEW YOUNG GIRLS ALWAYS WORKING - Today’s Schedule is…🔥 Zoe - 🔥Stunning Tall Taiwanese Service Queen with Endless Passion and Sensuality who Wa
  49. HolidaySpa:
    Thursday at 🌴😎🌅𝓗𝓸𝓵𝓲𝓭𝓪𝔂 𝓢𝓹𝓪🌅😎🌴3517 Kennedy Rd, Unit 4, Scarborough ☎️𝟰𝟯𝟳-𝟮𝟰𝟳-𝟭𝟭𝟵𝟵☎️Angie, Cindy & Jenny. Angie is a a tall slim beauty with long hair, big boobs & a very friendly menu. Cindy is a slim & incredibly sexy lady with a smile that will melt your heart, & an ass that will fire up your spirit. Her services are among the best! Jenny has a medium build, nicely curvy
  50. KSpa:
    THURSDAY at 𝐊 𝐒𝐏𝐀: ADA, VICKY, KELLY & CINDY. Unit B6-4227 Sheppard Ave East Scarborough, ON (Just East of Midland Ave) ☎️ 𝟲𝟰𝟳-𝟳𝟵𝟮-𝟳𝟱𝟲𝟴 ☎️ ADA is 23, 5’4” and 120 Lbs, sweet and sexy with a nice 36C bust and great services. VICKY is 21, Korean, 5’2” & 100 Lbs, with a cute pretty face, good service, & nice 34B pillows to comfort you. KELLY stands 5’3” & weighs 110 Lbs, with nice 34D’s
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