Questions: Valerian and ME-related depression

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Hi there everyone,

I'm brand new to this thread, and pretty new to using aromatherapy too. But I'm keen and learning fast!

I'm trying to put together a blend or two for my Mum, who has ME / Chronic Fatigue Syndrome / Fibromyalgia.

She is undergoing a treatment of Guaifenesin, which is helping enormously but has the 'side-effect' of re-inflaming old symptoms as it clears her body. As a result the two things she has asked me to look at, which may need addressing separately, are;
1. depression and feeling emotionally flat and lethargic
2. mild panic attacks, nerve sensitivity, agitation

Because Guaifenesin is sensitive to salicylates, she thinks it best to stick with vaporising oils rather than massage.
When I came across Valerian in my books (Valerie Worwood and another beginners intro to aromatherapy) it looked ideal for addressing Mum's anxiety and panic etc, but one website I almost bought some from said it is NOT suitable for vaporising.

Also, Valerie Worwood's advice for treating stress is not to use more than three oils in a blend. Do I need to stick to that too?

Any ideas anyone please ??

I'm sorry if this looks like I'm trying to get an Aromatherapy consultation for free, but I promise I'm just trying to learn what I can.

Thanks x x x
 
Hiya

I agree with the not using more than 3 oils per blend, especially if you're not qualified.

I'm not sure about using Valerian, however, as this is an extremely powerful sedative!

For vaporising, given your mother's conditions, I'd suggest:

Grapefruit
Rose
Melissa

These oils are quite powerful antidepressants. You can use them on their own or in a blend.

Also Rosewood and Palmarosa. Rosewood is an endangered species so you may wish to avoid this.

Hope this helps.
 
I agree with Chris on the tree oils usage, also on the use of Grapefruit & melissa, as I am 98% better from ME - I speak from experience as well as being an aromatherapist. I found that using them in a vapouriser was fine, and as they are fairly aromatic but mild I also used them in a footbath.
I would however ask your mother to smell them first as I was very sensitive to smells and certainly could not tolerate Lavender, Marjoram, rosewood, and valerian.
You could also use camomile to ease the panic attacks - but use in a rollerball.
 
That helps enormously, thanks.

VW mentions that Grapefruit and Rose are particularly good for ME, along with Geranium and Tangerine.

I think I'm trying to run before I can walk a bit here and it's so easy to become overfaced by all the options available, especially knowing that oils can work in synergy with each other - it makes me panic a bit that I don't know enough.

After spending several weeks absorbed in books it's great to find a forum where there are real people who can talk back!
 
Go with the grapefruit, it is light, sunny, uplifting and being citrus is 'clean'. Rose is not every ones smell, and it is very expensive. Geranium, - hormonal balancer, - I did not mention this as you did not mention her age or if she is ME affected by hormones, if she is 'menopausal'.... Tangerine again is bright, clear citrus.... Look upon the oils as to where the oil is from. Fruit - Head. Leaves - body. Roots/bark - grounding. Light, Medium, heavy......
Uplifting is the way to start first.... Keep reading - Try Patricia Davies A~Z.
kEEP INCONTACT IF YOU NEED MORE HELP!
 
I've used Valerian in massage and it knocked out the guy I was treating all weekend (he had a high pressured job was always on the go and didn't know how to relax apart from pouring a large scotch on the rocks). I would not want to vapourise Valerian as it has a rather unpleasant smell.

I rather like the idea of the following blend

Bergamot
Geranium
Lavender

You can use the above oils in a burner, bath or as a massage blend.
I also think that drinking Chamomile tea may also be helpful.

Binah
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Just to add, please don't go by the blend strengths that Valerie Worwood gives. You need to halve the number of drops per 10mls of carrier. Another really good oil for helping with anxiety is neroli, although again, this is one of the more expensive ones. But as with melissa, you don't need much as they both can overpower a blend.
 
Yes, I made up a blend of Geranium, Lavender and Bergamot for a tired and stressed friend, and the next time I saw her she virtually bounced into the room! She said 'That stuff's great, I've used the lot!' (I gave her a small mix to see if she liked it)
I had to warn her not to overdose her children on it !

I'm glad to hear others say VW's concentrations are too high, I tried to give my husband a massage to help him sleep and nearly ended up keeping him up all night with the pong!
Her book on children's health seems pretty cautious as far as dosage is concerned.

Thanks so much for all the encouragement x
 
Just to add to all the great info above, when I had post viral fatigue I found that Petitgrain worked wonders for me, but aromas are very personal and I hope you find something just right from everyone's input. Good luck.

Vivien
 
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    โœจ Looking for a relaxing escape? โœ… Meet๐ŸŒธMei๐ŸŒธKim๐ŸŒธJazminCall us today for the best treatment and service experience. Click on our Username and FOLLOW US for updates ! Call now โ˜Ž 289 - 298 - 5662โ˜Ž๏ธ Your ultimate relaxation awaits! โœจ
  38. Moneylee:
    All season wellness center : New Young girl big breasted beautiful buttocks charming temperament big boobs Mia ,young girl pretty face nice figure Thai deep massage Vivi,Young girl big breasted beautiful buttocks charming temperament big boobs Yoyo,Young girl Big breasted saucy naughty Ella ,Enchanting sexy petite deep massage Sherry ๐Ÿ address: #5-30 Rambler dr Brampton ,Ontario L6W 1E2โ˜Ž๏ธ4376655510 ๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿ‘…๐Ÿ‘…
  39. Moneylee:
    Full season wellness center: New Young girl big breasted beautiful buttocks charming temperament big boobs Ivy , Young girl pretty face big boobs nice figure deep massage Jessica ,Young girl Big-breasted big Big boobs big butts May, Young beautiful face sexy body and good deep massage Maggie,Enchanting sexy petite deep massage Mary . ๐Ÿ  2560 Shepard Ave Mississauga unit 1 โ˜Ž๏ธ 4379857899 ๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿ‘…๐Ÿ‘…
  40. wonderspa:
    . ๐ŸŒบ๐ŸŒบWonder spa,(9421Jane st unit127)best massage in vaughan,if you need to find a comfortable place to revive your body rexlaing come visit us.๐Ÿ’„sexy very young girl Jessica C cup,very good looking really know what do you want๐Ÿ˜ปJoey very beautiful face nice body slide,good deep tissue massage.sevrvice queen Amy she can do everything you want,must try๐Ÿ…๐Ÿท๐ŸทL6a4h8๐Ÿ“ช
  41. New Oriental Health Centre:
    ๐Ÿซฆ Nayla, Lily & Sasa are in today๐Ÿ’„~๐Ÿ“žCall ๐Ÿ“ฒ Text: (647) 381-2688 ๐Ÿ’„Make Your Day Incredibly Delicious ๐Ÿ’„ Nayla is a tall, young, beautiful & curvy Spanish girl. ๐Ÿ˜˜ Lily is a young & Pretty Vietnamese Girl ๐Ÿ‘ Our girls provide lots of service options & are Extremely Open-Minded ๐Ÿค— Drop in to Unit 26, 10 East Wilmot Street, Richmond Hill.
  42. Jennyโ€™s Spa:
    ๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’JENNYโ€™S SPA๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ โœ…5170 DUNDAS STREET WESTโœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒETOBICOKE ONTARIO M9A 1C4๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ( 647-893-5196)โ˜Ž๏ธCall or Text โ˜Ž๏ธ( 437-888-3759)โ˜Ž๏ธCall Only (ETOBICOKE) OPEN 10am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…GRAND OPENING๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅEXCELLENT MASSAGE + SERVICE QUEENS NOW AVAILABLE AT JENNYโ€™S SPA FOR ALL YOUR MASSAGE AND SPECIAL EXTRA NEEDS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’ฏ๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ”ฅโค๏ธ๐Ÿ‘Œ ๐Ÿ”ฅTWO BEAUTIFUL NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅ ๐Ÿ’ฏREAL PICTURES OF ATTENDANTS๐Ÿ’ฏ ๐Ÿ”ฅTODAYโ€™s ROSTER INCLUDES: Jenny๐Ÿ˜˜ - An exotic tall and slim Vietn
  43. bnwellness_wilson:
    We have 4 young beautiful girls are working today, young sweet slime Summer 30โ€™s and cute EFG Lina , sexy Coco and pretty Tina 30โ€™s with curve body are providing deep tissue and sensual massage, pls call 416-3985777 book appointment and walk in always welcome, back entrance and parking available, 350 Wilson Ave North YorK
  44. Lulu_Villa_Spa:
    Jessica 155 cm, 90Ibs Pretty Girl with amazing personality and super easy to get along Sasa Sexy Vietnamese Body Type She is very sweet Provides Excellent Customer Service Judy is a gorgeous model type Vietnamese Girl โ˜Ž๏ธ647- 446-0886
  45. See You Health Center:
    Candy She is a Vietnamese๏ผŒ Face and body to die for. Her smile will make you melt. Cici Cute Skinny Sexy Vietnamese Girl With Voluptuous Huge C Melons Provides Amazing Service Cherry ๐Ÿ’ From Malaysia Part time School girl Naturally very pretty face, Sexy Skinny Spinner Body โ˜Ž๏ธ416-988-2950
  46. SugarLoveSpa:
    Friday at โค๏ธ๐Ÿ’™ ๐Ÿ’œโŽ๐—ฆ๐—จ๐—š๐—”๐—ฅ ๐—Ÿ๐—ข๐—ฉ๐—˜ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”โŽ ๐Ÿ’–๐Ÿ’—๐Ÿ’˜: ANA, ELLA & TIFFANY. 1270 Finch Ave W (at Keele St), Unit 18. North York, ON โ˜Ž ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฑ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด โ˜Ž ANA is a young, short and sweet lady, 5โ€™1 & 105 Lbs, very tight, with a small to medium booty. Ana is a versatile honey who provides great massage, & can accommodate your needs. ELLA is a lovely Thai sweetheart, 5โ€™1โ€ with C Cups, smooth skin and a very pleasing attitude.
  47. ASPA:
    ๐—™๐—ฅ๐—œ๐——๐—”๐—ฌ ๐—ฎ๐˜ ๐—” ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”: ๐—”๐—บ๐˜† & ๐—ฏ๐—ฒ๐˜€๐˜ ๐—บ๐—ฎ๐˜€๐˜€๐—ฎ๐—ด๐—ฒ ๐—ฅ๐—ฎ๐—ฐ๐—ต๐—ฒ๐—น ๐Ÿ…ฐ๏ธ๐€ ๐’๐๐€๐Ÿ…ฐ๏ธ, 28 South Unionville Ave, Unit 5, Markham. ๐Ÿ…ฐ๏ธ๐—–๐—ฎ๐—น๐—น ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿณ๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿต-๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿฒ ๐—ผ๐—ฟ ๐˜๐—ฒ๐˜…๐˜ ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿด๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿต-๐Ÿฑ๐Ÿต๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿ…ฐ๏ธ AMY is young and very friendly, standing 158 Cms. with 34C Cups and a very nice bum. Amy is a very popular student, young, sexy, and open minded. She is in demand for her good massage
  48. ForeverWarden:
    Friday at ๐Ÿซฆโค๏ธ๐Ÿ”ด๐ŸŸฅโ™พ๏ธ๐“•๐“ž๐“ก๐“”๐“ฅ๐“”๐“ก ๐“ข๐“Ÿ๐“โ™พ๏ธ๐ŸŸฅ๐Ÿ”ดโค๏ธ๐Ÿซฆ 2190 Warden Ave, Unit 201, Scarborough ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿฒ-๐Ÿด๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿฌ-๐Ÿณ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด๐Ÿณ : Bobo, Mia & Sasa. Bobo is a small, slim and sexy lady, petite with all natural busty melons for your enjoyment. Mia is a Caribbean service queen temptress with incredible curves & very friendly attitude. She is able to bbbj like a queen, and is open to dfk and cfs.
  49. HolidaySpa:
    Friday at ๐ŸŒด๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒ…๐“—๐“ธ๐“ต๐“ฒ๐“ญ๐“ช๐”‚ ๐“ข๐“น๐“ช๐ŸŒ…๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒด3517 Kennedy Rd, Unit 4, Scarborough โ˜Ž๏ธ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿญ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿต๐Ÿตโ˜Ž๏ธ LINA, YOYO & CINDY. LINA is very well known for her great services and her impressive shapely ass. Come and see why! You will be glad you did. YOYO is a very beautiful slim Chinese lady, 165Cms & 116 Lbs with natural D Cups and a very sexy figure. She provides the best versatile PSE services.
  50. Annie Spa:
    ๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ANNIE SPA๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ โœ…7-1001 SANDHURST CIRCLEโœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒSCARBOROUGH ON M1V 1Z6๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ (647) 891-9688โ˜Ž๏ธ โ˜Ž๏ธ (416) 291-8879โ˜Ž๏ธ (FINCH & MCCOWAN) OPEN 9:30am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…NEW MANAGEMENT๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ ๐Ÿ”ฅGORGEOUS NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS - TODAYโ€™s ROSTER INCLUDES: ๐Ÿ”ฅ Vicky๐ŸฅฐA new arrival at our branch ๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ‘ฏโ€โ™€๏ธVicky is a very young CBC part time student working for tuition fees and books, this bright young sexy girl is willing to showcase her eagerness to please AND be pleased. Busty 36DD boobs
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