Pelvis - quilty of causing LBP

[Wally West]

Read how it goes. Who is to blame.. my story (and many others too)
http://personal.inet.fi/koti/faro/Selkasivut/Others.html

 

[Kiss my befuddlement]

Thank you for the link to a very interesting and useful site.
Which is your particular story? How are you doing now?
Sharon.

 

[Dave Randal]

That is my story:
http://personal.inet.fi/koti/faro/Selkasivut/sijd.htm

I have been doing great over a year now.

 

[shellyannwalters]

Good for you, and thanks for sharing your story,
Sharon

 

[YO! Eighth Account]

This post is very timely, because yesterday I had my second osteopathy appointment - and my pelvis was mentioned. I am still in oodles of pain, so I am not listening as attentively as I'd normally do... so can't really elaborate. But your post has given me a few terms which I can google, and see if I can find anything more about.

N

 

[cindlurvarchie]

Check these X-rays and compare them to yours.
[link=http://personal.inet.fi/koti/pallo/Selkasivut/Pelvis.html]http://personal.inet.fi/koti/pallo/Selkasivut/Pelvis.html[/link]

 

[obdajwyr]

"Check these X-rays and compare them to yours.
[link=http://personal.inet.fi/koti/pallo/Selkasivut/Pelvis.html]http://personal.inet.fi/koti/pallo/Selkasivut/Pelvis.html[/link]"

Expatient - is that post directed to me? If so, I don't have any x-rays. But if I ever do I'll be sure to compare them with those on that webpage.

N

 

[goldstcy]

Hi v glad to hear you are anexpatient.
I think that many therapists that use this forum dounderstand the pelvis (particularlyof females) is not fixed at the pubis or SI joints and therefore is suceptable to injury/movement/posture.
(many doctorsdont evenknow there isslight movement potential in the cranial bones either.!)

Tell us more aboutyour oneprofessionel with theright approach.
EG methods.you say he pushed your pevis back into alignment did he :-
massagedeepley into all the major muscle groups that link to the pelvis and then adjust slowley or thrust hard?
How many sessions did you need ?
thanks for this v interesting post.
Regards Steve

 

[Big Head 22]

Hi expatient

I too am interested in the questions Stephen Jeffreys asks. I intend speaking to my osteopath about this, and so I'd like to be know what a successful treatment (like yours) involved.

N

 

[Love A Whippet]

Yes he pushed it back. Immediately I felt that my legs were no longer different length. Also my pelvis was more flexible. Forward flexion with feet straight was much easier.

I had 5 treatments, because it didn't stay on its place. First time it held 3 weeks. Second 2 days, 3rd again 3-4 weeks,... I noticed it going out by pain. I got immediate low back pain on right side, upper back left side and on shoulder area on right side.

Here some stuff I have been updating about this SIJD...
[link=http://personal.inet.fi/koti/faro/Selkasivut/Others.html]http://personal.inet.fi/koti/faro/Selkasivut/Others.html[/link]
I am still updating those pages almost every evening...

 

[beka]

Do you have pains in your back, buttog, leg,..? Do you havemuscle spasmsin your back? Headacke? Ischias? Radiating leg pain? Anddoctors don't know what is wrong with you?

They blame your scoliosis, curvatures, bad posture, weak muscles...

Wellcome to world ofSIJD patients. There are millions of us and the doctors don't even believe we exist...

"Each year millions of people suffer with lowback pain. Lower backpain is very common and may persist anywhere from a few months to several years. Many times the source of low back pain can be caused by malalignment of the sacroiliac joint (SI joint) resulting in a sprain. This condition can often remain undiagnosed for several years if your health care professional is not trained to identify the signs and symptoms of a sacroiliac joint problem..."
[link=http://www.sidysfunction.com/]www.sidysfunction.com[/link]

Even J.F. Kennedy seems to had SIJD, but doctors didn't understand it then, they don't understand it now. Most of them don't believe such a disorder even exists...

"I wonder if there are few doctors would diagnose anyone with an si joint issue. It seems to be something pts will term a patient as having, but I wonder if doctors are aware of this issue. I only wonder based on my own experience of having a brother in law as an orthopedic doctor and scratching his head at the idea of having an sijd. How can that be when theSI ligaments are the strongest in the body, he wonders."
-SaraG (posted: mon jan 03, 2005 6:54 pm )

"Recognizing that very few physicians are trained in diagnosing pelvic joint dysfunctions, my judgment is that these are the most frequently amisdiagnosed (or nondiagnosed) conditions in the United States, effecting millions of patients annually."
Orrin Mann MD, MPH. Medical Director Department of Occupational Health multicare associates of the twin cities Rosedale, mn.

And effecting how many in world wide?

 

[Rodeo64]

From my viewpoint and that of Hanna Somatics the osseous structures of the body are moved by the muscles which are innervated by the brain. Unless a major trauma has occurred. Even when a trauma has occurred the body can adapt to brace the body i.e. limp.

X-rays show misalignment of the pelvis, scoliosis etcbythe images of the vertebrae and pelvis but what si not shown on the x-rays is the muscles which ibn most cases would be holding them their. Reduce the level of tonus and alignment can be improved.

 

[ol billy]

Of course body adapts. That's where scoliosis and lordosis come from. Thats where uneven shoulders come from. Body creates balance. It corrects one posture error with an other one, but with contraposition. So mistake is corrected with other mistake so that balance is found...

If pelvis gets misaligned the spine has no choise but to follow new line. Butthe body balances that error upper in spine with opposite curve to create balance... And usually you need that third curve too in cervical spinearea so that your head would be straight.

X-rays don't show well SIJD or misaligned pelvis. Or they show them, but doctors ignore them... see some pictures that doctors have ignored:
[link=http://personal.inet.fi/koti/pallo/Selkasivut/Pelvis.html]http://personal.inet.fi/koti/pallo/Selkasivut/Pelvis.html[/link]

 

[Yes`doll]

Hi,

I have been reading this forum recently as I have suffered from long time lower back pains and reoccuring injuries. I have been diagnosed with several diferent dysfunctions by several different specialists but eventualy I believe I have found the cause to be SI problems.
I found out whilst I have been laid up for the last four weeks, I have had plenty of time for researching flat out in bed ! I'm glad to say I'm on the mend now I think my SI joint has been locked up for years and so it's taking a bit of time/effort to re-align it but I think I'm on the right track.

Anyway, I thought I'd post a link to the web page where I found the document that opened my eyes to the problem. It had a link to a PDF file written by Richard DonTigny (the document the pictures in someones post above were from), I thought I'd post a link to the entire document as it proved to be very useful information for me, the author has several types of exercise and also details of which muscle groups to exercise to help prevent further dysfunctions.

http://www.chiroweb.com/archives/23/26/09.html


The document that really really helped me!
http://www.kalindra.com/rounds.pdf


Good luck all, and as always think positive it helps me

Richard.

 

[toto]

Yes you can find those and a lot more from my page here.
I have collected about a hundred of them...

 

[ideaguy83]

I have read, EXPATIENTS' posts and replys with great interest and am certain that I have a similar problem. Anteriorly Rotated Left Illiac Bone. This has almost certainly caused me endless back and diskrelated problems. I have also been looking at the Richard DonTigney self help excercises. I am a little confused and would appreciate some advice.Whenworking through the DonTigney excercises, it is indicated that both SIJ are corrected. But if only one SIJ is causing the problem shouldn't that SIJ alone be corrected, instead of both?

Please advise

BERNI

 

[Macabre]

DonTigny excercises can give some help, but not for all. Manipulative treatment is sometimes needed. Some old osteopathians could know how to help...

 

[Chanel]

Dontignys theory is that most SIJD are on both sides - often one side more that the other. he states that you can't get a full correction without doing both sides.

check out the kalindra website - it has a forum and mr dontigny himself answers lots of posts...

where abouts in the uk do you live? dontingy is coming to the uk very soon to do a workshop

carefull when finding someone to treat you - many use the side lying technique where they twist you should one way and hip the other. you usally get a loud clunk

dontogny states thta if you have SIJD it can make the problem worse as it stretches the ligaments around the joint which may already be loose. i can vouch for this as my right si was damaged using this technique

the SI joint is greatly under recoginised as thecause of back problems

 

[Narx Pancake]

And as I have interviewed tens of patients who have been doing his exercises for months, many have got worse. My explanation on that is that if you have only other SIJ dislocated you can cet help form DonTignys excercises. But if you have both SIJs dislocated your situation can get worse because with DonTignys excercises you are twistin your pelvis even more mispalced... That is why about 70% of patients get help from his excersise and the rest gets worse. Those 30% have got help from manipulative treatment...


I am very familiar to that place...



I totally agree. That technique is used by chiropractors, osteopathians and many others. It only opens the lock that results from misplaced joint. But many times it will get locked again soon after that treatment. Opening the "lock" is not enough. You need to balance the pelvis from other problems too.

But with DonTignys excercises only few patients will get SIJs corrected. Most of the patients will only get some stretching to muscles and result of that isa relief to pains. Most pains are from muscles and stretching helps...


If only people like you would be more active and write more about it...

 

[serena doom]

Expatient,
My post was directed to the previous post berni - the kalindra site is a great resource. Your right Dontignys methods are NOT the only way to correct SIJD. In your view is it possible to have a posterior rotation of the ilium on the sacrum or is this a secondary sublaxtion at S1 as Dontingy states after the primary anterior rotation at S3?
Do you believe that a anterior rotation is the only possible type of SIJD or do you disagree with Dontigny on this?
I enjoy reading your debates on forums all over the net and am shocked that there is still a great number of medical professionals who do not believe SIJD exists or the SIJ accually does move at all.
I am a regular poster on a distance running injury forum and am amazed at the amount of people who are describing SIJD but not being treated for it ie the classic leg length dispreancy being treated by a heal raise and just adding to the problem. Luckily many phyios in the uk are starting to look at the pelvis in the primary assessment although many of not educated how to treat it unless they go on to post graduate studies in biomechaincs and manual therapy
What are your views on prolotherapy to help strengthen up ligaments around the SI joint that have become chronically slack as a result of SIJD or over manipulation?
Thanks
ian