new drug laws in mexico!!

[Hmmmm]

Said with Precision. As far as the Libertarians go, they like you said are definitely in favor of legalization but highly unlikely to take any responsibility when it comes to handling abuse and/or unregulated markets. The typical liberal view is that government expenditure on interdiction should be scaled back or eliminated, with these funds transferred to
the budget for drug-abuse treatment. The libertarian view is that interdicting drugs and subsidizing treatment are, at a minimum, separate issues. Governments can scale back interdiction without necessarily increasing treatment budgets, and the question of whether to subsidize treatment arises with or without legalization. In addition, libertarians doubt that expenditure for drug-abuse treatment is a good expenditure of government funds. This perspective again derives from the view that most
individuals make informed, voluntary decisions to use drugs and that reducing drug use is not an appropriate goal for government policy. Hope this helps!

 

[clueless??]

I was sincerely hoping that someone else would respond to DD's request. But since no one else did, here is my response:

My observations were never meant to be an attack on our drug fighting authorities. They are just being human. Everyone wants to believe that their efforts are worthwhile and justified. We also all want to have employment to provide ourselves with food, clothing, and shelter. To be sure, most of the people involved in fighting the War on Drugs are honest, hard-working individuals who self-delude themselves into believing that if they just keep fighting, eventually they will win. But there are many within their ranks that know the brutal truth: The War on Drugs will never succeed. We are at war with ourselves. Until we eradicate the demand, there will always be supply. And we will never eradicate the demand, unless you are willing to change the nature of humans.

Regarding the respective stances of the political left versus the political right, the world has become topsy-turvy. The terms liberal and conservative simply don't mean anything anymore, other than epithets we shout at one another. Conservatives, who profess to want more freedom and less government, should be the ones who most stridently would be calling for the end of the War on Drugs. Liberals, who are supposed to be champions of Big Government, would be the ones who most stridently would be calling for more resources in the War on Drugs to protect the small perceneforum.xxxe of users who become abusers.

However, it is the conservatives who are calling for harsher penalties, more jail time, more resources. And it is the liberals who want to release the one-half of the prison population that is incarcerated for non-violent, drug-related offenses and legalize the possession and sale of recreational drugs. In this respect, the liberals are more aligned with the libertarian point-of-view. However, I do believe that the liberals, if successful in accomplishing this, would want to "tax the hell out of" the newly-legalized substances and use those tax revenues for public education and rehabilitation programs to mitigate the problems associated with drug abuse. Whereas, I think the libertarians would believe it was the responsibility of the abusers to clean up their own act. (This is speculation on my part. Is anyone familiar with the Libertarian Party's views on the issue of help for drug abusers? Their official party platform calls for the repeal of drug laws but makes no mention of what to do with drug abusers. http://www.lp.org/platform )

This problem is nothing new. Two-thousand, five hundred years ago, the Greeks wrote about how they were trying to deal with the problem of drug abuse. They knew then that wine was a wonderful gift. The gods themselves drank it! But they also learned quickly that, for some people, it was a curse.

My hope is that we will acknowledge that the War on Drugs has been disaster, pure and simple. Just like its counterpart, Prohibition, it has created an environment where organized crime can thrive and prosper while doing almost nothing to stop the use of products that it is supposed to rid the world of. It has filled our prisons with non-violent, victim-less offenders. We are at war with ourselves.

Okay, enough of this. Let's go get laid. Now, if we could only legalize prostitution in the States ...

 

[Nikolai]

OC Hobby
Have not been able to speak with Mr Burke the author of my quote as he died 200+ years ago . If you wish Burke to explain his Historical Quote your question might be better addressed to S-rico as rico refers to deceased Icons on a regular basis . May well be rico had a drink with Mr. Burke sometime in the past 200 years . He would be in a better position to answer your question on Right vs Wrong .

 

[komets.geo]

has lower marijuana use by youth than the USA !!!

 

[Brent.]

wow, a blunt attack on our drug fighting authorities from one of our forums most ardently liberal voices. If someone out there is prepared to offer the right's counter argument (assuming there is one),I would love to hear it!

 

[Holly]

Yes they "decriminalized" small amounts of weed. But then let us remember that prescription drugs are legal and that does not stop the cops from arresting gringos even if you have a prescription.

Not that you are all suggesting this but: any gringo who goes to Mexico with the intent of taking advaneforum.xxxe of the new drug laws is headed for trouble!

RN

 

[Woody Black]

Why should Good stick his neck out?

 

[Confusing123]

There is no reason to believe that Tijuana will ever change for the better.
Compradres have stated " 200 years " behind the times which is very sad indictment for the State of Union ( Seige ) south of the USA border.

A man was mugged a couple of days ago by skin heads , on Constitution near the parking lot where the police station use to be ( What does that say ) .
No party interviened BECAUSE they did not want to get involved.

A Well Known Quote from ( Author ; Edmund Burke )

" Evil succeeds when GOOD men do nothing "

 

[magul]

We discussed this topic at length least once before and we were soundly chastised by one of the moderators. Not sure why we were thrashed for discussing this topic because it definitely affects us mongers in Mexico. All the beating of breasts and gnashing of teeth from the law enforcement authorities will be nothing but sound and fury. In the end, not much will change with regard to the amount of usage. It might be a bit out more in the open, but it will not increase. Any increase in some of the previously illegal drugs will be offset by a decrease in alcohol. I'm sure Seagram's and Anheuser-Busch are not too happy about this.

And that is what worries the peace officers, corrections officers, DEA agents, etc. It will show that their War on Drugs® is and always has been a sham. Prohibition did not work with alcohol and it hasn't worked with other drugs, either. But for the aforementioned civil servants, it is their middle-class welfare system. And they can see their meal ticket starting to disintegrate before their very eyes. The drug cartels are probably even more terrified of legalization. They will have to find other sources of income, none of which will be as easy or as lucrative.

Now if we could only legalize prostitution in the States ...

 

[~Nikki~choke it urself]

I think it will be business as usual between the police and the gringos.

I think amigomio is right. The police won't have scales so any amount is enough to get in trouble. And it is possible your few grams turn into enough to get in trouble on the way to the station.

So like I said, if you plan on imbibing make sure you have enough dinero for the mordita

 

[if only]

So you guys think if a monger gets caught with a few joints of marijuana that the TJ police will either bust them or illicit a bribe?

It will be interesting to see as the way the articles is written it's unclear what will happen.

I know in TJ it's rare for the TJ police to actually take a gringo to jail, as they usually went for the payoff every time.

Well, at least it's in a step in the right direction.

 

[om nom nom nom nom]

Supergato is right, but there is one thing to consider, same if memory serves me right, as in certain states of the US, that the cops are not the ones to serve justice.

The law says that you will not be jailed for possesion of certain amounts of drugs. but the cops are not the ones to determin if the drug siezed is within limits.

Usually it was the Federal Police, the PFP where you were taken too after the local police would hand you over.
That also usually would mean at least 72 hours of detainment to see if you are a narc or a user.

Now you are presented to a local Ministerio Publico where the law officer will be the one to say the final word and in less than a few hours you are out.

Of course, it wouldn't surprise me that instead of the few ounces they found on you, they turn into pounds by the time they take you to the MP to check it out.

 

[Tian]

For the junkie in the DF, sure. For the tourist in TJ, I'll believe it when I see it. The police can and will search people for drugs and weapons. I can see a common scam might be if you have drugs in the decriminalized amount, the police will still tell you you'll have to go to jail because it looks like more than the limit. Or you could slip him some plata and be on your way. Once you get in front of a judge it might be dismissed, but you just wasted a lot of time.

The law of the land is the cops can search you without cause. And whether they discover drugs, medicine w/o prescription, toenail clippers with a little knife on them, or any of a million other things, they can and will shake people down.

My point is simply this: If you want to go to Tijuana and do drugs just as Americans have done since the beginning of time, feel free. But don't think this law will turn it into Amsterdam any time soon... with a menu for pot varieties next to the beer menu at Adelita. Just like before it is pretty easy to buy drugs, do drugs and generally escape punishment.

An AP article today had the OMG WHAT ABOUT THE CHILDREN panic that the chief of Police and SD County Sheriff about this law. This law means the people will return from a night in TJ under the influence! Kids might go to Cancun for spring break and do drugs! As if that didn't happen before this law was passed.

 

[Golf]

They said that they decriminalized small amounts to keep the cops from shaking people down.

 

[Victor]

D-Dulce , does the street Vulcan come to mind ? Clearly mentioned and no reason for you to pass it off .

I found photos of my living room posted by you some time ago... with bragging rights listing the expense incurred. Much prefer to take this off line but will ask again ; do you have any Treasures left behind ?

 

[Dllama]

Correct. Law enforcement in Mexico do not need a reason for la revisiَn precautiva (precautionary search). They can stop you in your car or on foot at anytime without cause.

Even with this law, you can still be taken to jail. It is still illegal to buy or sell drugs. It just means you can't be prosecuted for possession. And if it is your third time caught with drugs you must enter treatment. At the least, the cops will confiscate the drugs. Hence, Tijuana's Finest will still have plenty of leverage to extract morditas from you for drugs (weapons or whatever else they feel like planting on you).

 

[Kevin Colts 4-0 :D]

I don't quite follow you. I think you may be confusing me with another member!

 

[SMILE!]

Do not believe the local PD or any other law enforcement agency ( Humor ) patroling Tijuana needs reason to stop and search individual(s) . They do what they want when it is convenient . If they want lunch prepaid they search for who may have the money to pay for it.

D-Dulce, I understand one to two years ago you took up residence on Vulcan.
May I ask , did you leave any " Treasures " behind ?
Would like to discuss your experience outside of this forum ; is that possible ?

 

[Nancy M]

have you guys read about the new drug laws in mexico? They claim that people with small amounts of cocaine, marihuana, etc will no longer be prosecuted!! Could this be the one thing that brings adventurous gringos back into tj? Also, the corrupt local cops will have to find new excuses to search people now.