I am an agnostic. How can I introduce Christmas to my daughter?

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I want to introduce the holiday without bringing the religious aspect into it, as she is only 5. My family celebrates it as a secular holiday anyway, but she doesn't understand the whole 'Santa Clause' concept. I really don't know what to tell her. This may sound a little TOO sensitive, but since we've (my husband and I) been focusing on lying with her (what it is, why you shouldn't do it, etc.) lately, I feel a little weird telling her the St. Nick story; she would be upset if she found out it was a lie and call me a hypocrite (hey, she's smart, what can I say) Example: "You lied to me Mommy! You told me I could have a cookie after dinner and you didn't give me one!" "No, I just changed my mind because you decided to push the cat into the water bucket." She's understanding the concept quite well, but we're still working on it.

Also, I am willing to teach her about the religious aspect when she gets older, just not quite yet, as I want her to understand its a story SOME people believe in, and she doesn't need to 'adopt' that belief as her own if she doesn't want to. Suggestions? Thanks :)
@Vicki Your comment about my daughter is just rude an unnecessary.
 
Now I know why I'm not an agnostic.

I never had to apologize to my son when explaining to him about Christmas or Easter. Christmas is a celebration of the birth of Jesus Christ. I suppose you can put any spin on that any way you want to, but if you deny that fact, you'll be lying to her. Sure, I know all about that it was a pagan holiday and blah, blah, blah. But the celebration STILL centers around the birth of Christ. How do you get around that?

As far as Santa, I told my son from a very early age Santa wasn't real. He suffered no harm still respects me for that. ;)
 
tell her it is an American Holiday and other countries have similar traditions but in America the tradition is that Santa Clause comes to give presents to children who are good.
 
Explain to her that it is a special time of the year that all families get together to celebrate love. Let her know the Christmas tree is a long standing tradition all throughout history and gift giving is part of the tradition. Santa doesn't have anything to do with religion and it's a magical aspect of a child's life. Of course, they get old enough on their own to realize that Santa doesn't really exist. No big deal. The child will learn on her own that Christmas actually symbolizes the birth of God's son Jesus if she hasn't heard it elsewhere already. Whether she believes in Jesus or what Christmas symbolizes will be a choice that she will make on her own one day anyway. As far as Santa, let her have the magic....
 
Maybe you could get her to watch the movie, "A Christmas Story"....about the little boy who just wants a "Red-rider" BB gun....that should give her example of how other kids act and anticipate Christmas morning!...but please don't give her no BB gun, cause she might shoot someone's eye out.
 
I think you're taking the whole thing way too seriously. Secular society will eventually introduce her to some form of Christmas, and you're going to make some mistakes raising a child anyway, because you're human. If your daughter is only five, I wouldn't start talking to her about God, or the lack thereof, unless she asks you about it. If that happens, then you probably know to give her your opinion on the subject, without forcing some belief or lack thereof upon her.
 
well first of all , sounds like your daughter's one hell of a brat ! second ? christmas is about peace on earth & goodwill toward men ( and women ) . third ? jesus ( the bible says ) was born in bethlehem because mary & joseph had to register for the census ordered by the roman emperor augustus . that was in march........... not december ! st nick , kris kringle , santa claus all stem from an old legend (10th ? 11th ? century ) of a man who brought gifts to children to help cheer them up during the worst weather of the year............. usually december .
 
I would challenge you to learn the story behind Saint Nick....it is actually pretty cool, it would lay some footings for your daughters spiritual journey.
 
Tell your daughter the truth about your belief in a way she can understand. " I'm an agnostic that means mommy doesn't know what the truth is about God the best evidence to me for the existence of God is thus and the best evidence for not believing in a God is thus." then proceed in explaining Christmas, "Many people have different customs and traditions this is a time of year where if you look you can see all sorts of them at one time." If you focus on the differences of Christmas she will be more able to make an educated decision for her self and you might be able to gain an understanding about the nature of God or not. but one thing you do not want to do is explain that to many people that give gifts to others the reason they give them is in honor of the greatest gift we as humans have received, the gift of salvation.( that would open up a can of worms that you wouldn't want to tackle. And please don't tell here about the Christians using ornaments on trees because it hurts the pagans feelings that we don't use animal entrails like they do.

Good Luck with your daughter. and the last thing i would say is, if you have a bible in your house please remove it ( it can be a real stumbling block) there are to many references to the truth not being subjective. your daughter needs to learn that the truth is only what she thinks it is and that anyone else that believes otherwise that is the truth for them.
 
At her age you can't explain it in great detail. The story of how Christmas developed is actually very interesting but it would bore a 5 year old.

But you could hit the highlights. Thousands of years ago people discovered that days get shorter and shorter in the Winter. Then, at a particular time, the days begin getting longer again. You might be able to explain this with drawings of the earth going around the sun, tilted on its axis. But even that might be a bit much for someone that young.

So anyway, thousands of years ago people didn't know what to make of this. They didn't really know what to believe, so they made stuff up. For instance some of them made up stories about a space monster taking the sun away, and a heroic 'man in the sky' fighting the monster and getting the sun back. (There actually were myths like this!) These stories are called 'myths', and people didn't really BELIEVE them but they served to explain why the world was the way it was.

In some cultures they had group of men in charge of making up these myths and teaching them to everyone. These guys had time to 'observe' nature and the skies. And before long they learned to figure out, ahead of time, the exact day the days would start getting longer. Of course everyone in the society wanted to know that! So these men would hold some kind of ceremony just on that day. And the days began getting longer, and it warmed up, and farmers' crops began to grow. People came to look forward to that day! When we have Winter now, we can look at a calendar and say 'It will start getting warmer in 2 months.' But in those days they didn't even have calendars so people didn't know WHEN it would get warmer. Maybe it never would!

Well, think of these guys holding this ceremony for years and years. After a while, people came to think that it was the ceremony itself that led to the days getting longer! Of course this was 'job security' for the priesthood that performed the ceremony. 8^)

So now thousands of years later, but still thousands of years ago, the Roman Empire changed from Paganism, which believed in many gods, to Christianity, which believed in one God. This is why Christianity is prevalent still today in the Western World. The early Christians wanted to stop the celebration of this Pagan holiday But it was just SO popular that they couldn't stop people from celebrating it. In the Pagan world it was the biggest holiday of the year, and people didn't want to give it up! So eventually, Christians decided that Jesus was born at that time, and that would allow people to still celebrate it without being 'pagan'.

So now to this very day, Christmas time is a time in the dead of Winter when you can't do a lot of other things. So people put up lights, they visit one another for dinner, special movies come out this time of year, and kids look forward to it because they get a week off school. Christians say it's all about Jesus, but he wasn't even really born in December, it was just an excuse all along to celebrate at this time of year. But you don't even have to be Christian to celebrate the Winter Solstice. We call it 'Christmas' but for many people, maybe even MOST people, it has nothing to do with religion.
 
Young girls usually like presents. Try that.

Make it a time of giving to those you care about.
 
It is important for children to be introduced to spirituality. The fundamentalist atheists who force feed their own views to their kids but criticize religious families are simply hypocritical.
 
There is nothing wrong with stories for children. Tell her about St Nicholas and get The Night Before Christmas. In the fullness of time, another kid will tell her santa isn't real, but meanwhile why spoil all those delightful childhood myths?
 
Tell her the truth- JESUS was born. That is the true meaning of CHRISTmas! Get her a kids bible, go to church & a Christmas eve service
 
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    ๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ANNIE SPA๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ โœ…7-1001 SANDHURST CIRCLEโœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒSCARBOROUGH ON M1V 1Z6๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ (647) 891-9688โ˜Ž๏ธ โ˜Ž๏ธ (416) 291-8879โ˜Ž๏ธ (FINCH & MCCOWAN) OPEN 9:30am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…NEW MANAGEMENT๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ ๐Ÿ”ฅGORGEOUS NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS - TODAYโ€™s ROSTER INCLUDES: ๐Ÿ”ฅ Summer โค๏ธ has nice sexy body, and nice breasts. She can give very good massage and fun service. Very sexy, and so friendly. Beautiful girl with great massage skills and willing to give you a happy fun session multiple times if you
  30. Lulu1980:
    Phoenix blossom Spa โ™จ๏ธโ™จ๏ธโ™จ๏ธtable shower ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘body scrub๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน5124 Dundas W Etobicoke โ˜Ž๏ธ416-817-3366 Nice girl Luna is joining. She can provide a very good massage with sensual touch. She knows how to take direction and please a man. Suki ๐Ÿ˜˜can provide deep Thai massage. She takes directions very well. She has many assets and knows how to use them. Come see her today.Welcome to walk in or make an appointment at any time. Plenty of parking space at the back door
  31. Ramsรฉs:
    Vancouver
  32. EMSpa_schedule:
    Here's a sneak peek of the schedule: For Monday November 18, 2024, our attendants will be Mia ๐Ÿ”ฅ, Summer ๐Ÿ˜, Sandy ๐Ÿฅฐ, Vicky ๐Ÿ˜˜ and Ivy โค๏ธ We have a great lineup tomorrow! Call 905-479-6668 to book!!
  33. New Oriental Health Centre:
    ๐Ÿซฆ Tiana & Phoenix are in today๐Ÿ’„~๐Ÿ“žCall ๐Ÿ“ฒ Text: (647) 381-2688 ๐Ÿ’„Make Your Day Incredibly Delicious ๐Ÿ‘ Our girls provide lots of service options & are Extremely Open-Minded ๐Ÿค— We're Open 9am - 2am everyday! Drop in to Unit 26, 10 East Wilmot Street, Richmond Hill.
  34. hiyamickey:
    6 girls working at Reinella wellness, 20 years old Japanese student girl Amanda,Ella, Queenie, Jenny,Vanessa, lucky @6262 hwy7 unit #1 Vaughan,โ˜Ž๏ธ๏ผš905-851-4888
  35. wonderspa:
    spa(9421Jane st unit127)โ˜Ž๏ธ416-5000-800.very big boost Joey and Sunny working today,Joey is sexy girl ,she can provide very good massage with sensual touch, open main,nice Sunny can provide deep tissue massage,very friendly ,she got a lot experience, very sweet smile very popular,must try๐Ÿท๐Ÿฅฐ๐Ÿ‘
  36. Sunrise Spa:
    ๐Ÿ˜˜ We have a wonderful Asian spa in downtown Toronto ๐Ÿ˜˜ 302 Adelaide St W, 2nd Floor ๐Ÿ˜˜ Today is Tina, Caribbean Sophie and Kitty ๐Ÿ˜˜ 416-916-7276
  37. AmoreSpaEtobicoke:
    AMORE SPA 127 Westmore Drive, Unit 106C Etobicoke, ON M9V 3Y6 โ˜Ž 437-688-2407 โ˜Ž Sunday at AMORE SPA: CHERRY & MIA. CHERRY is a proven superstar, Slim Asian with a pretty face, all natural A or B Cups, long nipples, slim waist & small round bum. Her services are legendary. MIA is a young 27 JAPANESE girl, curvy, good massage bbj cim, nice and open minded.
  38. Sparkling Spa:
    โšก๏ธ๐ŸŒŸSPARKLING SPAโšก๏ธ๐ŸŒŸ โœ…50 Lockridge Ave Unit 8โœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒMarkham, ON L3R 8X4๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ (905) 604-8186 Spa Land Lineโ˜Ž๏ธ โ˜Ž๏ธ (437) 446-6688 NEW Spa Cell Phoneโ˜Ž๏ธ (West of Warden & 16th Ave) OPEN 10am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…NEW MANAGEMENT๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS๐Ÿ”ฅSUPERSTAR SERVICE QUEENS AVAILABLE AT SPARKLING SPA FOR ALL YOUR MASSAGE AND SPECIAL EXTRA NEEDS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’ฏ๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ”ฅโค๏ธ๐Ÿ‘Œ ๐Ÿ”ฅSEXY NEW YOUNG GIRLS ALWAYS WORKING - Todayโ€™s Schedule isโ€ฆ๐Ÿ”ฅ Emily๐Ÿ”ฅA sweet shy Korean executive secretary with a passion for pleasing. Excellen
  39. AliceSpa:
    SUNDAY at ๐—”๐—Ÿ๐—œ๐—–๐—˜ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”, 4915 Steeles Ave. E, Scarborough ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿฒ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿต๐Ÿด-๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿด๐Ÿต๐Ÿด:[/color] 4 Amazingly Hot Top Girls Today at Alice Spa: AMY is a young, petite short & slim Taiwanese, former dance instructor, firm natural B Cups, pretty face, firm natural titis, super play good, bbbj, cim, rim, dfk, all services. *New Today, ASHLEY is a curvy Half Indian/Half Chinese, super busty FF Cups, young student, pretty face
  40. Sunrise Health Centre:
    ๐Ÿซฆ Noor๐Ÿ”ฅis here Today! ๐Ÿ“ž๐Ÿ“ฒ (647) 325-8086 ๐Ÿ’ฆ We have Hot & Sexy Girls Every Day. ๐Ÿ’‹ They all do Extra Services & are Very Open-Minded ~ Drop In Anytime ๐Ÿšถโ€โ™€๏ธ๐Ÿšถโ€โžก๏ธ Walk-Ins Are Always Welcome! Unit 27, 10 East Wilmot Street, Richmond Hill
  41. Moneylee:
    Full season wellness center: young girl pretty face nice figure Thai deep massage Connie , Student pretty face nice figure Thai deep massage Sasa,Young girl Big breasted saucy naughty Ella, Taiwan girl DD Boobs Thai deep massage lily,Enchanting sexy petite deep massage Mary. 2560 Shepard ave Mississauga unit 1 .โ˜Ž๏ธ4379857899๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿ‘…๐Ÿ‘…
  42. Moneylee:
    All season wellness center : New Young girl big boobs beautiful face deep massage Shasa,Young girl big breasted beautiful buttocks charming temperament Lala,Young girl big boobs beautiful face deep massage Helen , Young beautiful face sexy body and good deep massage Maggie , Enchanting sexy petite deep massage Sherry,๐Ÿ  address: #5-30 Rambler dr Brampton ,Ontario L6W 1E2โ˜Ž๏ธ4376655510 ๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿ‘…๐Ÿ‘…
  43. ForeverWarden:
    Sunday at ๐Ÿซฆโค๏ธ๐Ÿ”ด๐ŸŸฅโ™พ๏ธ๐“•๐“ž๐“ก๐“”๐“ฅ๐“”๐“ก ๐“ข๐“Ÿ๐“โ™พ๏ธ๐ŸŸฅ๐Ÿ”ดโค๏ธ๐Ÿซฆ2190 Warden Ave, Unit 201, Scarborough ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿฒ-๐Ÿด๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿฌ-๐Ÿณ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด๐Ÿณ: Anida, Lisa & Cindy. Anida is a slim Asian babe with a small waist and great bum. Anida has excellent massage, oral and other skills. Lisa is a young, slim, friendly & very beautiful Vietnamese beauty with a nice body, nice 34D boobs, slim waist, impressive booty, nice massage, great services.
  44. Jennyโ€™s Spa:
    ๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’JENNYโ€™S SPA๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ โœ…5170 DUNDAS STREET WESTโœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒETOBICOKE ONTARIO M9A 1C4๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ( 647-893-5196)โ˜Ž๏ธCall or Text โ˜Ž๏ธ( 437-888-3759)โ˜Ž๏ธCall Only (ETOBICOKE) OPEN 10am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…GRAND OPENING๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅEXCELLENT MASSAGE + SERVICE QUEENS NOW AVAILABLE AT JENNYโ€™S SPA FOR ALL YOUR MASSAGE AND SPECIAL EXTRA NEEDS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’ฏ๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ”ฅโค๏ธ๐Ÿ‘Œ ๐Ÿ”ฅTWO BEAUTIFUL NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅ ๐Ÿ’ฏREAL PICTURES OF ATTENDANTS๐Ÿ’ฏ ๐Ÿ”ฅTODAYโ€™s ROSTER INCLUDES: Jenny๐Ÿ˜˜ - An exotic tall and slim Vietn
  45. ASPA:
    ๐—ฆ๐—จ๐—ก๐——๐—”๐—ฌ ๐—”๐—ง ๐—” ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”: EMMA and Best Massage RACHEL.[/color] ๐Ÿ…ฐ๏ธ๐€ ๐’๐๐€๐Ÿ…ฐ๏ธ, 28 South Unionville Ave, Unit 5, Markham. ๐Ÿ…ฐ๏ธ๐—–๐—ฎ๐—น๐—น ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿณ๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿต-๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿฒ ๐—ผ๐—ฟ ๐˜๐—ฒ๐˜…๐˜ ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿด๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿต-๐Ÿฑ๐Ÿต๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿ…ฐ๏ธ EMMA is 1.64Cm. and weighs 52Kg. Emma is sweet and elegant, has very good communication & massage, and her services will make your visit enjoyable. RACHEL is slim and attractive
  46. HolidaySpa:
    Sunday at ๐ŸŒด๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒ…๐“—๐“ธ๐“ต๐“ฒ๐“ญ๐“ช๐”‚ ๐“ข๐“น๐“ช๐ŸŒ…๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒด3517 Kennedy Rd, Unit 4, Scarborough โ˜Ž๏ธ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿญ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿต๐Ÿตโ˜Ž๏ธAmy & Suki. AMY is an attractive young lady with larger breasts and a nice bottom. She has outstanding oral skills, and is very popular. Donโ€™t miss out on her special skills SUKI is a sexy lady, short with big boobs, medium massage & nice services. ๐ŸŒด๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒ…HOLIDAY SPA๐ŸŒ…๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒด
  47. bnwellness_wilson:
    We have 4 young beautiful girls are working today, young cute Lily 25โ€™s with curive body open mind and young slime Slime 30โ€™s, pretty GFE Ella and sexy Coco are providing deep tissue and sensual massage, pls call 416-3985777 book appointment and walk in always welcome, back entrance and parking available, 350 Wilson Ave North York
  48. Annie Spa:
    ๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ANNIE SPA๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ โœ…7-1001 SANDHURST CIRCLEโœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒSCARBOROUGH ON M1V 1Z6๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ (647) 891-9688โ˜Ž๏ธ โ˜Ž๏ธ (416) 291-8879โ˜Ž๏ธ (FINCH & MCCOWAN) OPEN 9:30am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…NEW MANAGEMENT๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ ๐Ÿ”ฅGORGEOUS NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS - TODAYโ€™s ROSTER INCLUDES: ๐Ÿ”ฅ Helen๐ŸฅฐBrand new very young university student from Hong Kong. Great massage skills with a wild flirtatious side willing to tease and please to bring you to satisfaction. Perky natural 34C breasts perfect for kissing and body slide
  49. SugarLoveSpa:
    Sunday at โค๏ธ๐Ÿ’™ ๐Ÿ’œโŽ๐—ฆ๐—จ๐—š๐—”๐—ฅ ๐—Ÿ๐—ข๐—ฉ๐—˜ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”โŽ ๐Ÿ’–๐Ÿ’—๐Ÿ’˜: ANA, LANA & SHAYLA. 1270 Finch Ave W (at Keele St), Unit 18. North York, ANA is a young, short and sweet lady, 5โ€™1 & 105 Lbs, very tight, with a small to medium booty. Ana is a versatile honey who provides great massage, & can accommodate your needs. LANA is a slim & sexy Indian girl. SHAYLA is a very sexy Vietnamese lady, slim and beautiful
  50. Red Rose Spa:
    ๐ŸŒธ We have 8 hot brown girls today ๐ŸŒธ ASHA, MALIYA, PEET, NISHA, ANNA, DIYA, MIMI ๐ŸŒธ 2588 Birchmount ๐ŸŒธ 2 Invergordon ๐ŸŒธ 647-702-8800 ๐ŸŒธ Please visit for a great erotic massage
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