Does It Ever JUST HURT.........

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??? ??? ???  Does It Ever Just Hurt When You CANNOT Help someone that You really wish You could help...........Such as in the area of a Pathology or some such thing?I am not just talking about in the pocket as far as $$$, but emotionally does it ever hurt???Just checking to see if anyone else has these feelings ever?Thanks For The Responses!!!Sincerely,CaringHandsMss :)
 
CaringHandsMss,Of course it does, massage therapists / bodyworkers are some of the most empathetic people I've ever known. Our compassion and intuition is a vital component in our work. And just as it can be a "blessing" when we're trying to think "outside the box" when a client presents with a really perplexing problem... so it can also be a "curse" when we're not able to help someone we care about or someone whom we love is suffering.Before MT school I massaged a friend on the night before she died. Sometimes when I think about that it amazes me that I went into this career at all.And nearly 2 years ago I had a friend who suffered from Aplastic Anemia. I couldn't massage him because his health was to fragile... his immunity to compromised.  It was extremely frustrating for me.I did what I could to help his family including "sitting" with him several times so that his family could do important things knowing he was well cared for, and buying him some "steaks"  to try and help build up his blood again. I earned the money to be able to buy him steaks by doing massage.  In the end this friend lost his fight with Aplastic Anemia, and died nearly 2 years ago.So, I do what I can. Massage isn't Always the answer. Sometimes, the answer's just... L-O-V-E. :-*
 
Of course it does, massage therapists / bodyworkers are some of the most empathetic people I've ever known.
 Absolutely!I wish we could help everyone, but we have to accept the fact that we can't.  But as Maestra pointed out, we can help in many other ways.  Just trying is one of them. :)
 
As Maestra and Mastera stated and I concur a whole heartedly Absolutely!!I consider my profession part of the health profession so we are part of a caring nurturing loving empathatic vocation. Luckily we are on the end where we get positive feedback.With that said it is very frustrating and leaves a feeling of helplessness when we can't help someone. But who are we to say we haven't. I mean think about it. Sometimes just an empathatic ear and a caring touch is all someone needs. Sometimes the client may have too much pain emotional or physical for us to do a massage. As Maestra said massage isn't  always the answer. The answer is just plain and simple L O V E.Caring Hands MssYou have a big heart hang in there!We are here for your support.I do have a question for you CaringHands what happened recently that got you to the feeling that you couldn't help and it just hurts.Oh BTW yeah it does stink when that happens.Trish
 
Does It Ever JUST HURT.........

Part of my outreach with special populations I'm using to work with an AIDS hospice. I've noted one client over the course of a few months has become increasingly thin and, although open sores have now healed over, they've left their scaring.So, yes. The knowledge that his disease will continue to progress no matter what I do is saddening.The only thing I can do is to continue working with him with the belief that although I can't cure him, I am still able to gift him with compassionate touch and all the attendant benefits.
 
Thank You ALL for Responding!!!It is encouraging to see that Others have had like experiences.MassageinTexas.....I have a client.....Someone Very near and dear to me, who has been diagnosed with Rheumatoid Arthiritis and the times to massage (AS FAR AS IM UNDERSTANDING) is when they aren't actually in pain??? I understand due to the nature of the autoimmune disorder ANDآ So that is what gets to me about this situation and that I pray and do all I can humanly and they still hurt.....the hurting is much and the Dr. said this person is only in the early seforum.xxxes and that it was good they caught it when they did, but that's what gets me about this situation.That's the deal!!!  YES I AGREE to L O V E is VERY IMPORTANT, yet I feel helpless at times and wish I could take away the pain!!!Thanks Again Y'all for sharing that my experience is not one I share alone :)!!!Sincerely,CaringHandsMss :)
 
Does It Ever JUST HURT.........

CaringhandsHow about energy work maybe that would help your friend. Or if either of you are open to the idea work with crystals. (Talenyn is very knowledgeable about this subject and could help you alot) Reiki is very good and easy to learn and I know there is some others.Good luck to you. We are here for you.Trish
 
Does It Ever JUST HURT.........

I have a client.....Someone Very near and dear to me, who has been diagnosed with Rheumatoid Arthiritis and the times to massage (AS FAR AS IM UNDERSTANDING) is when they aren't actually in pain???

So that is what gets to me about this situation and that I pray and do all I can humanly and they still hurt.....the hurting is much I feel helpless at times and wish I could take away the pain!!!

CaringHandsMss :)

CaringHandsMss,

As I recall you're still in school... is that correct? I would suggest that you bring this subject up in class if so. Do you have a mentor? This would also be good to discuss with your mentor IMHO.

The reason I suggest this is because when the person we are trying to help is someone "near and dear" to us... our feelings become much more enmeshed in the situation than they should be. Particularly if we're a "caretaking" personality... as I sense you probably are... after all, it's very common in the massage profession. I myself have that personality trait, as did my MT instructor and 8/10 of my class.

When treating those we love issues such as dual relationships arise, it might be good to brush up on that and other topics. (Transference etc.)

When treating those with Chronic Pain conditions there is often psychological factors that should be considered or addressed.  

And dealing with pain on a daily basis can lead to depression... I've seen it among those of my own acquaintance.  Their mental outlook can affect how the client perceives pain.

We can offer them encouragement, love, caring and support. But no matter how much we love them, our love can not cure RA, AIDS, cancer, or whatever their physical ailment may be.

Here are a few links for RA and/or massage:

http://www.cnn.com/HEALTH/library/DS/00020.html
http://www.umm.edu/altmed/ConsConditions/RheumatoidArthritiscc.html
http://askwaltstollmd.com/archives/arthritis/40740.html
http://www.genesishealth.com/micromedex/altmedgen/amm0077.aspx
http://www.tcmadvisory.com/reflex/treat13.htm#d

And CaringHandsMss, sometimes we have to accept that we are too close to the situation, and may not be the best person for the job. We may just need to be their "family" or "friend" and leave the position of MT to someone not so emotionally involved.  In some cases, referring out is the ethical thing to do.
 


I am now out of school.
I do not have a "mentor" persay, but have spoken to the "near and dear" one's physician and am feeling much better about it now. They have instructed me in what type of massage and when and have helped a Great deal.

Caretaking personality.....Um........Yes!!! :eek: My Wife and both our dogs get massage regularly.

Thanks for bringing up the dual relationship part of study and transference. It was helpful to think on and look over in my materials.

Its been much better to know what to do after speaking to the physcian for me to know what to do and when to do it. Thanks For the Links Too :wink:

Energy work is not something I am into, but thanks for the suggestion massageinTexas.

Thanks For Being Here For Me Y'all!!!

Sincerely,
caringHandsMss :)
 


The C was supposed to be capitalized

Sincerely,
Like That :arrow: CaringHandsMss
Anyway, Thanks For the Responses I really enjoy them!!!


Its Me CaringHandsMss :)
But I dont know what happened as I came in on the post as a guest???
 


Dear maestra,

Thanks SOOOO Much for the other links!!!

Sincerely,
CaringHandsMss :)
 
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    🎉🍒ANNIE SPA🎉🍒 ✅7-1001 SANDHURST CIRCLE✅ 👌SCARBOROUGH ON M1V 1Z6👌 ☎️(647) 891-9688☎️ ☎️(416) 291-8879☎️ (FINCH & MCCOWAN) OPEN 10am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY 🔥✅NEW MANAGEMENT💯NEW GIRLS🔥🔥 🔥GORGEOUS NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS - TODAY’s ROSTER INCLUDES: 🔥 Cici😘A very beautiful and sexy little fangirl, she has a sexy and petite figure, Cici service is first-class, worth having and trying, she belongs to the elite👍She is very friendly, very cute and exquisite little model!!🥰Real pictures
  34. SugarLoveSpa:
    Thursday at 𝗦𝗨𝗚𝗔𝗥 𝗟𝗢𝗩𝗘 𝗦𝗣𝗔: CHERRY, CICI, SASA, TIFFANY & WENDY. 1270 Finch Ave W (at Keele St), Unit 18. North York, ON ☎ 𝟰𝟯𝟳-𝟯𝟲𝟱-𝟮𝟲𝟴𝟴 ☎ CHERRY is a young, slim, friendly and absolutely gorgeous Vietnamese beauty, 49 Kgs with Bounteous D Cups. Real pics, unreal services! BBBJ, shower together, full menu. CICI is Chinese, 49 Kgs & 1M 57Cms, with nice D melons & an open services menu.
  35. Moneylee:
    Full season wellness center: New Young girl pretty face big boobs nice figure deep massage Anika , New Young girl pretty face nice figure Thai deep massage Tiffany,Young girl big breasted beautiful buttocks charming temperament big boobs Anjoo ,Young girl Big breasted saucy naughty Ella,Enchanting sexy petite deep massage Mary. 2560 Shepard ave Mississauga unit 1 ☎️4379857899 👅👅🈵🈵🦵🦵👄👄
  36. Moneylee:
    All season wellness center: Young girl big boobs beautiful face deep massage Rania ,Young girl big breasted beautiful buttocks charming temperament big boobs coco ,young girl pretty face nice figure Thai deep massage Tina ,Student big boobs buttocks Vicky, Enchanting sexy petite deep massage Sherry ,🏠address: #5-30 Rambler dr Brampton ,Ontario L6W 1E2☎️4376655510 👄👄🦵🦵🈵🈵👅👅
  37. ForeverWarden:
    Thursday at 🫦❤️🔴🟥♾️𝓕𝓞𝓡𝓔𝓥𝓔𝓡 𝓢𝓟𝓐♾️🟥🔴❤️🫦🫦2190 Warden Ave, Unit 201, Scarborough 𝟰𝟭𝟲-𝟴𝟬𝟬-𝟳𝟴𝟴𝟳: Cindy, Sofia & Tracy. Cindy is a slim beauty, 5’4”, natural C Cups & wonderfully long nipples. Her massage is nice, her bbbj will drive you wild & her cfs finish is a dream come true. Sophia is a sweet & pretty Chinese lady with natural B Cups and an awe-inspiring smooth rounded ass.
  38. Dreaminn:
    THURSDAY at💭𝗗𝗥𝗘𝗔𝗠 𝗜𝗡𝗡 𝗪𝗘𝗟𝗟𝗡𝗘𝗦𝗦 𝗦𝗣𝗔💭: EMILY, TINA & VIVI. 10225 Yonge St (North of Major Mackenzie), Richmond Hill, ON ☎️ 𝟲𝟰𝟳-𝟴𝟮𝟵-𝟮𝟵𝟴𝟯 ☎️ EMILY is a tall Chinese girl, 170Cms with nice natural C Cups and long brown hair. Emily is open minded and very friendly. TINA is a Vietnamese girl with long black hair, slim with nice curves. New to Canada, & speaks English well. Come & welcome her.
  39. doap:
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  40. Red Rose Spa:
    🌸 We have amazing girls today 🌸 HELLEN, MONIKA, NINA, AMANDA, AAVI, ANGELINA, ANAYA, SANA, ANGEL 🌸 2588 Birchmount 🌸 2 Invergordon 🌸 647-702-8800 🌸 Please visit for a great erotic massage
  41. Lulu1980:
    Phoenix Blossom spa ♨️♨️♨️ table shower body scrub 👍👍👍We have 3 beautiful young girls working today, young and lovely Vicy and Coco Specialising in table shower body scrub massages and offering deep massages Cici🤗🤗🤗🤗5124 Dundas St W Etobicoke.Please call ☎️416-817-3366 to book and Walk in the back door there is plenty of parking available
  42. Flowers Spa:
    ✰ BLUEXADO SPA ✰ 416.357.9797 ✰ 1102 Centre St, Unit #6, Thornhill Vaughan 🇻🇳🇻🇳 Mimi | Candy (New) 19Yrs Vietnamese beautiful face, very friendly...Must See... 🇻🇳🇻🇳 Lacey (New) from HUẾ Vietnamese tall, beautiful & shapely, white skin ...Great Service+... 🇲🇾🇻🇳 Linda | My Linh (New) 21Yrs, a full body Malaysian Vietnamese...Very Comfortable Treatment Offered... ✰ BLUEXADO SPA ✰ 416.357.9797 ✰ 1102 Centre St, Unit #6, Thornhill Vaughan
  43. Pink Flower Spa:
    ✰ 416.299.5515 ✰ 3300 McNicoll Ave, Unit #A8, Scarborough 🇨🇳🇻🇳 Kelly | Elly (New) is Chinese Vietnamese 🇮🇳🇵🇭 Mandy | Mady (New) Indian | Filipino 19Yrs, hair to shoulder 🇻🇳🇻🇳 Hanna from Vietnam pretty, medium body, also does lighter treatment with emphasis on service...🇮🇳🇮🇳 Sonia | Aniy from India is young & curvy, pretty, lightly toned 🇱🇧🇱🇧 A talented Arabian Girl 20Yrs from Lebanon is joining our team ✰ PINK FLOWER SPA ✰ 416.299.5515 ✰
  44. Red Rose Spa:
    🌸 We have amazing girls today 🌸HELLEN, NISHA, MALIYA, NINA, AMANDA, ANGELINA, ANAYA, SANA, ANGEL 🌸 2588 Birchmount 🌸 2 Invergordon 🌸 647-702-8800 🌸 Please visit for a great erotic massage
  45. Jenny’s Spa:
    🎉🍒JENNY’S SPA🎉🍒 ✅5170 DUNDAS STREET WEST✅ 👌ETOBICOKE ONTARIO M9A 1C4👌 ☎️(647-893-5196)☎️Call or Text ☎️(437-888-3759)☎️Call Only (ETOBICOKE) OPEN 10am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY 🔥✅GRAND OPENING💯NEW GIRLS EVERYDAY🔥EXCELLENT MASSAGE + SERVICE QUEENS NOW AVAILABLE AT JENNY’S SPA FOR ALL YOUR MASSAGE AND SPECIAL EXTRA NEEDS🔥💯😘🔥❤️👌 🔥TWO BEAUTIFUL NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS EVERYDAY🔥 💯REAL PICTURES OF ATTENDANTS💯 🔥TODAY’s ROSTER INCLUDES: Coco😘- A young cute blonde Asian girl makin
  46. SpringGreen.:
    Spring Green Spa - 72 Gerrard St W. 2/Fl - 647-891-0699Today we have 5 girls on wednesday: New Polish gir gigi💋💋angel- Tanned Spanish beauty with large melons and a fun booty too Wendy- exotic goddess with a gymnasts body and corresponding flexibility Jennifer- Exotic beauty with great service and...
  47. Sparkling Spa:
    ⚡🌟SPARKLING SPA⚡🌟 ✅50 Lockridge Ave Unit 8✅ 👌Markham, ON L3R 8X4👌 ☎️(905) 604-8186 Spa Land Line☎️ ☎️(437) 446-6688 NEW Spa Cell Phone☎️ (West of Warden & 16th Ave) OPEN 10am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY 🔥✅NEW MANAGEMENT💯NEW GIRLS🔥SUPERSTAR SERVICE QUEENS AVAILABLE AT SPARKLING SPA FOR ALL YOUR MASSAGE AND SPECIAL EXTRA NEEDS🔥💯😘🔥❤️👌 🔥SEXY NEW YOUNG GIRLS ALWAYS WORKING - Today’s Schedule is…🔥 Zoe - 🔥Stunning Tall Taiwanese Service Queen with Endless Passion and Sensuality who Wa
  48. Endless Joy Spa:
    ✨✨✨✨✨[GRAND OPENING]✨✨✨✨✨ 💞Endless Joy Spa💞 🎇 (155 East Beaver Creek Rd Unit #8, Richmond Hill) 416-731-8565🎇10am-2am, Young Sexy Slim Chinese Emma, Young Slim Thai Janice, Young Sexy CBC Rachel. Slim Sexy Chinese Kiki, Tall Slim Sexy Chinese Kelly, Young Sexy Chinese Abie.
  49. Annie Spa:
    🎉🍒ANNIE SPA🎉🍒 ✅7-1001 SANDHURST CIRCLE✅ 👌SCARBOROUGH ON M1V 1Z6👌 ☎️(647) 891-9688☎️ ☎️(416) 291-8879☎️ (FINCH & MCCOWAN) OPEN 10am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY 🔥✅NEW MANAGEMENT💯NEW GIRLS🔥🔥 🔥GORGEOUS NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS - TODAY’s ROSTER INCLUDES: 🔥 Helen 🥰Brand new very young university student from Hong Kong. Great massage skills with a wild flirtatious side willing to tease and please to bring you to satisfaction. Perky natural 34C breasts perfect for kissing and body slide. Tall
  50. KSpa:
    WEDNESDAY at 𝐊 𝐒𝐏𝐀: ANA, KELLY, SUKI & CINDY. Unit B6-4227 Sheppard Ave East Scarborough, ON (Just East of Midland Ave) ☎️ 𝟲𝟰𝟳-𝟳𝟵𝟮-𝟳𝟱𝟲𝟴 ☎️ ANA is a pretty lady standing 5’4” & weighing 115 Lbs, with 36C melons and a very sexy body. KELLY stands 5’3” & weighs 110 Lbs, with nice 34D pillows to comfort you. SUKI is 23, 5’2” & 100 Lbs, 34C with a slim & sweet sexy body.
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