Constant lower back pain into left hip!!!! Help!!

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I cannot really remember when & how I first got/noticed my back pain. I think it was about 4 years ago when I first remember doing anything about it. It is a constant ache in the lower right hand side of my back (it has been described as the L4/5 area of my spine which is the most tense/knotted. This pain almost always coincides with a bruised feeling in the muscle directly above my left hip.

It has now come to a point where it is unbearable. When I got out of bed in the morning I can hardly walk, if I drive for long periods of time I struggle to get out of the car. It was generally a real problem. I consulted the doctor who advised me that my back problem was causing tension across my back and also a bursitis in my left hip and prescribed me some Naproxen Anti-Inflammatory tablets which only succeed in slightly dulling the pain but has not stopped it entirely.
I eventually was advised to attend a Sports Physiotherapy which I did and although was VERY painful initially, my back felt easier for a couple of days, however, the pain would return eventually. Similarly, acupuncture and ultrasound seemed to be short term remedies only.
The physio firstly tried manipulation for the facet joints which made it very sore afterwards. He then decided that manipulation was not possible until the muscles were more relaxed as they were in severe spasm.
I tend to find that the more I am walking throughout my working day, the easier the pain gets, however, I find it very hard lying in bed and if I manage to get a lie in (not very often with a 2 yr old girl)!!!, my back aches that much including the muscles left and right of my spine, top to bottom that I have to get up anyway. My sleep suffers virtually every night and I am constantly tired through the day. I feel irritable and frustrated most of the time and i've had enough.
I am hoping upon hope that someone somewhere is experiencing the same and can help me reduce/overcome the problem.
 
HI

Sounds exactly what I have, I have been told that I have an elongated legament in my back that causes my back ache, but then when I was sent (by work) to a specialist physio (Rehab) unit they said that I had weak core mucsles that weren't supporting my back, so I had 8 weeks of intensive physio where I would go to physio for a day a week and it really helped. Not sure how you would get on with getting this kind of support as I had private medical insurance through work and they actually sent me on it.

Tablets will only help releieve the pain for a while but doesn't get rid of the cause. I gave up on tablets years ago (I have had it since I was about 19), I would recommend asking your doctor if he would consider sending you to physio again (I had about 3 years on and off with physio) and see what they say. Alternatively if you use a gym you could ask there for some specific exercises to strengthen the core muscles. It has worked for me.

Hope everything works out ok for you!

With love

Maria
 
Thanks very much for that.

My work organised Phsio for me, however, they'll only pay for the first six sessions so I can see it becoming a bit expensive. I'll see how it goes, maybe they'll make some allowances.
As for the gym, we have one at work so i'll seek some advice on back strengthening exercises.

Thanks for your time

Ian
 
Pilates is often recommended by physios for strengthening the core muscles, Ian. Men attend the class I go to, so it's definitely not one of those women only things
 
Hi and welcome to HP - take some time to introduce yourself in the new members section.

I have something similar - an initial problem in the lower back, probably a facet joint problem, that has extended into my hips as a result of various muscles going into spasm. I have seen a chiropractor, osteopath (and I do have a lot of respect for osteopathy, just think my one was not terribly experienced) and had two cortisone injections, but the thing that is working for me is seeing someone who does one to one remedial pilates.

When your superficial muscles go into spasm, the core muscles become weak and the problems just exacerbates itself. So far I have just been doing core breathing which is allowing the tense muscles in my hips (and chest would you believe) to relax. Once they are completely in neutral, then I will be able to start strengthening the muscles from the inside out.

While I'm on this regime, I'm not able to do any muscle work at the gym on my shoulders, chest or abs as this will reverse the process. The process isn't quick, particularly as my work (body work therepist) doesn't help, but I'm definitiely loads better than I was and can get down the stairs first thing in the morning.

Hope you find a solution.

Lesley
 
Ian,

From the description you have given I would certainly suspect spasm or tension in the Quadratus Lumborum, which stretches from the 12th rib and lumbar vertebrae to the posterior iliac crest. Whether this is the cause or merely a symptom I do not feel qualified to say. Although stretching (e.g. Pilates) can be good, it does not deal with the underlying cause.

UI would recommend seeing a physio who specialises in manual manipulations (too many now rely on electronics) or see a very experienced sports therapist.

Good luck.

Ken
 
That's great. Looks like i'll be joining a Pilates group shortly....anything to loosen my muscles. Thankyou for your advice.
 
Just be careful in a group, if you do have back problems, as this kind of work takes time and you could find that your instructor races ahead with other members of the group who may not have the same problems as you. No point in strengthening those core muscles until you release the spasm on the others.

If your finances can stretch, would definitely recommend a remedial, one to one instructor - there is a difference.

Lesley
 
My wife has borrowed a couple of Pilates videos from a friend. I might work slowly through them and see how I go.
I'll definitely consider remedial therapy. Our Occupational Health dept. at work often pay for several sessions, i'll contact them today.
Thanks again.
 
Hi

My works medical sceme actually paid for rehab (remidial work) so it didn't come out of my fund so to speak so maybe worth asking if you can get this as well!

With love

Maria
 
Has your lumbar spine been X-rayed or an MRI been taken?

It sounds like an unresloved disk injury to me. Over 90% have some sort of disk injury before we meet our maker and there is a wide variation on how these present. Some have a grumbly back for a few weeks, whilst others need emergency surgery (very few fortunately).

Some that have not been treated appropriately can get something called Nerve root tethering, which is where the root of the nerve heals to the surrounding tissues & pain persists, often til the issue is addressed.

Alternately it could even be a spondilolisthesis. Do you ever have episodes when it goes altogether, then seems to come back with avengence for no obvious reason? Did you have any falls on your back or injuries whilst extending backwards or do martial arts as a kid? And your low back certainly won't like bending backwards if it's one of these. NB THis is not diagnostic in itself, just a tip.

Re. Core stability exercises, Pilates and postural education should certainly help settle a minor disk injury in time, but possibly not a more severe or persistent one.

Andrew.
 
Thanks for that.

My lower back certainly hurts a lot when I bend forward. I used to play a lot of squash and I know it didn't do my shoulder & knees much good.
Can't recall any particular incident where i've hurt my back although sometimes after a hard day I'd feel it pulling a bit.

I haven't had x ray or MRI yet. I'm hoping to arrange this through work as it will take an eternity on NHS. Maybe that will show something.

Cheers
 
It's quite common for someone that has been very active in sport to have problems if they stop. It's not so much doing the sport, but stopping, it seems.

Squash is particularly hard on the knees, like football, it involves sudden change in direction on a flexed knee.

Please don't fall into the common misconception that you have caused yourself permanent damage from your previous activities.

1) The body has developed for movement, not for sitting around all day in an office.
2) There are very few, if any, things that are permanent.
3) Health is a balance between the amount of degeneration against the ability to heal.
4) When there is pain involved - it's almost always easier if you are able to relax the area involved.

Andrew.
 
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    SUNDAY at ๐—”๐—Ÿ๐—œ๐—–๐—˜ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”, 4915 Steeles Ave. E, Scarborough ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿฒ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿต๐Ÿด-๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿด๐Ÿต๐Ÿด: 3 Hot Girls today at Alice Spa: *New Today . ELLA: is a small white young girl from Romania, super super busty EE Cups, blue eyes, blond hair, ok services, bbby cfs. Please call before booking her due to high demand. KIKI: A young, short & petite Taiwanese cutie, firm body, 5โ€™2โ€, natural C Cups. Kiki has strong massage skills & excellent services, amazing bbbj
  31. Moneylee:
    All season wellness center : New Young girl big boobs beautiful face deep massage Shasa,Young girl big breasted beautiful buttocks charming temperament Lala,Young girl big boobs beautiful face deep massage Helen , Young beautiful face sexy body and good deep massage Maggie , Enchanting sexy petite deep massage Sherry,๐Ÿ  address: #5-30 Rambler dr Brampton ,Ontario L6W 1E2โ˜Ž๏ธ4376655510 ๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿ‘…๐Ÿ‘…
  32. Moneylee:
    Full season wellness center: young girl pretty face nice figure Thai deep massage Anika , Student pretty face nice figure Thai deep massage Michelle,Young girl Big breasted saucy naughty Ella, Taiwan girl DD Boobs Thai deep massage lily,Enchanting sexy petite deep massage Mary. 2560 Shepard ave Mississauga unit 1 .โ˜Ž๏ธ4379857899๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿ‘…๐Ÿ‘…
  33. SugarLoveSpa:
    : Sunday at โค๏ธ๐Ÿ’™ ๐Ÿ’œโŽ๐—ฆ๐—จ๐—š๐—”๐—ฅ ๐—Ÿ๐—ข๐—ฉ๐—˜ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”โŽ ๐Ÿ’–๐Ÿ’—๐Ÿ’˜: ANA & CHERRY. 1270 Finch Ave W (at Keele St), Unit 18. North York, ON โ˜Ž ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฑ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด โ˜Ž ANA is a young, short and sweet lady, 5โ€™1 & 105 Lbs, very tight, with a small to medium booty. Ana is a versatile honey who provides great massage, & can accommodate your needs. CHERRY is a young, slim, friendly and absolutely gorgeous Vietnamese beauty, 49 Kgs
  34. Endless Joy Spa:
    โœจโœจโœจโœจโœจ[GRAND OPENING]โœจโœจโœจโœจโœจ ๐Ÿ’žEndless Joy Spa๐Ÿ’ž ๐ŸŽ‡ (155 East Beaver Creek Rd Unit #8, Richmond Hill) 416-731-8565๐ŸŽ‡10am-2am, Tall Slim Sexy Chinese Kelly, New First Day Sexy Chinese Coco, Sexy Chinese Linda, Young Sexy Chinese Abie
  35. Soul Relax Spa:
    โœจClick On Username and FOLLOW USโœ… Today ๐ŸŒธRebecca๐ŸŒธNina โ˜Ž289 - 298 - 5662โ˜Ž๏ธ
  36. Golden Sunshine Spa:
    โœจClick On Username and FOLLOW USโœ… Today ๐ŸŒธSophia๐ŸŒธBrandy๐ŸŒธKarla๐ŸŒธCamila โ˜Ž905 - 265 - 2158โ˜Ž๏ธ
  37. SunriseRH:
    SUNDAY at ๐—ฆ๐—จ๐—ก๐—ฅ๐—œ๐—ฆ๐—˜ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”: JULIA . 10 East Wilmot St, Unit 27, Richmond Hill, on โ˜Ž๏ธ ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฑ-๐Ÿด๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿด๐Ÿฒ โ˜Ž๏ธ JULIA is a slim but curvy Spanish attendant with natural B Cups & a pretty face. She can take a load off your mind. SUNRISE SPA welcomes you to experience total relaxation in our comfortable, clean, cozy environment. Our lovely selection of beauties can totally satisfy your expectations
  38. NewOriental:
    SUNDAY at ๐Ÿ๐Ÿ’š๐—ก๐—˜๐—ช ๐—ข๐—ฅ๐—œ๐—˜๐—ก๐—ง๐—”๐—Ÿ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”๐Ÿ’š๐ŸHAPPY & PHOENIX. 10 East Wilmot St, Unit 26, Richmond Hill, on โ˜Ž๏ธ ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿด๐Ÿญ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด โ˜Ž๏ธ HAPPY is a slim & busty Korean lady with great massage skills & lots of extra fun. PHOENIX is a gentle sweet Filipina lady, 5โ€™4โ€ and 105Lbs, with 34C-24-34 assets and very open minded. NEW ORIENTAL SPA
  39. See You Health Center:
    Lin๐Ÿ’•โ€จVery Young, Petiteโ€จVietnamese Studentโ€จWith Spicy Slim Bodyโ€จ5โ€™ 1โ€, 100 lbs Blonde Hairโ€จGreat BBJ, CIM โ€จ ๐Ÿฅ‘ Sami๐Ÿ’• Gorgeous Model Type CBC Vietnamese School Girl She is 5โ€™ 2โ€ tall, 98 Lbs With D Cup Melons Great Fashion Style and Provides Excellent Customer She is very excited to serve customers โ˜Ž 416-988-2950
  40. Lulu_Villa_Spa:
    Natalie ๐Ÿ’• She is from Philippines CBC Petite school girl Sasa ๐Ÿ’• Very Sexy Vietnamese friendly and milfy . body is amazing and smooth. an incredible ass. ๐Ÿฅ‘ Nancy๐Ÿ’• Vietnamese BBBJ/CIM Queen Natural D+ Cups โ˜Ž๏ธ647-446-0886
  41. Endless Joy Spa:
    โœจโœจโœจโœจโœจ[GRAND OPENING]โœจโœจโœจโœจโœจ ๐Ÿ’žEndless Joy Spa๐Ÿ’ž ๐ŸŽ‡ (155 East Beaver Creek Rd Unit #8, Richmond Hill) 416-731-8565๐ŸŽ‡10am-2am, Tall Slim Sexy Chinese Kelly, New First Day Sexy Chinese Coco, Sexy Chinese Linda, Young Sexy Chinese Abie
  42. lotushubspa:
    Hello, dear customers, today Lotus Spa is located at 10737 Yonge St unit13 and provides female masseuses for customers. Anna, Lily, and Cici provide customers with first-class service and a large number of beauties. Please contact us by phone โ˜Ž๏ธ9052375885 or SMS 4163565876๐Ÿ’‹๐Ÿคช
  43. ASPA:
    ๐—ฆ๐—จ๐—ก๐——๐—”๐—ฌ ๐—”๐—ง ๐—” ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”: EMMA and Best Massage RACHEL.[/color] ๐Ÿ…ฐ๏ธ๐€ ๐’๐๐€๐Ÿ…ฐ๏ธ, 28 South Unionville Ave, Unit 5, Markham. ๐Ÿ…ฐ๏ธ๐—–๐—ฎ๐—น๐—น ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿณ๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿต-๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿฒ ๐—ผ๐—ฟ ๐˜๐—ฒ๐˜…๐˜ ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿด๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿต-๐Ÿฑ๐Ÿต๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿ…ฐ๏ธ EMMA is 1.64Cm. and weighs 52Kg. Emma is sweet and elegant, has very good communication & massage, and her services will make your visit enjoyable. RACHEL is a slim and attractive
  44. ForeverWarden:
    Sunday at ๐Ÿซฆโค๏ธ๐Ÿ”ด๐ŸŸฅโ™พ๏ธ๐“•๐“ž๐“ก๐“”๐“ฅ๐“”๐“ก ๐“ข๐“Ÿ๐“โ™พ๏ธ๐ŸŸฅ๐Ÿ”ดโค๏ธ๐Ÿซฆ2190 Warden Ave, Unit 201, Scarborough ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿฒ-๐Ÿด๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿฌ-๐Ÿณ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด๐Ÿณ: Cindy, Jennifer & Mia. Cindy is a slim beauty, 5โ€™4โ€, natural C Cups & wonderfully long nipples. Her massage is nice, her bbbj will drive you wild & her cfs finish is a dream come true. Jennifer is a tall, slim & pretty Asian babe with natural melons and eraser nipples. She is very open minded.
  45. Annie Spa:
    ๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ANNIE SPA๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ โœ…7-1001 SANDHURST CIRCLEโœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒSCARBOROUGH ON M1V 1Z6๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ (647) 891-9688โ˜Ž๏ธ โ˜Ž๏ธ (416) 291-8879โ˜Ž๏ธ (FINCH & MCCOWAN) OPEN 9:30am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…NEW MANAGEMENT๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ ๐Ÿ”ฅGORGEOUS NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS - TODAYโ€™s ROSTER INCLUDES: ๐Ÿ”ฅ Mia๐Ÿ˜ beautiful young Singapore girl. Mia has a very sexy body, and beautiful busty boobs and golden blonde hair. She can give a very good teasing and relaxing massage with a sensual great playful HAPPY service. So very sexy beau
  46. HolidaySpa:
    Sunday at ๐ŸŒด๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒ…๐“—๐“ธ๐“ต๐“ฒ๐“ญ๐“ช๐”‚ ๐“ข๐“น๐“ช๐ŸŒ…๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒด3517 Kennedy Rd, Unit 4, Scarborough โ˜Ž๏ธ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿญ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿต๐Ÿตโ˜Ž๏ธAmy & Suki. AMY is an attractive young lady with larger breasts and a nice bottom. She has outstanding oral skills, and is very popular. Donโ€™t miss out on her special skills SUKI is a sexy lady, short with big boobs, medium massage & nice services. ๐ŸŒด๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒ…HOLIDAY SPA๐ŸŒ…๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒด
  47. SugarLoveSpa:
    Sunday at โค๏ธ๐Ÿ’™ ๐Ÿ’œโŽ๐—ฆ๐—จ๐—š๐—”๐—ฅ ๐—Ÿ๐—ข๐—ฉ๐—˜ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”โŽ ๐Ÿ’–๐Ÿ’—๐Ÿ’˜: ANA & CHERRY. 1270 Finch Ave W (at Keele St), Unit 18. North York, ON โ˜Ž ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฑ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด โ˜Ž ANA is a young, short and sweet lady, 5โ€™1 & 105 Lbs, very tight, with a small to medium booty. Ana is a versatile honey who provides great massage, & can accommodate your needs. CHERRY is a young, slim, friendly and absolutely gorgeous Vietnamese beauty, 49 Kgs
  48. bnwellness_wilson:
    Blue Nile Wellness Center, we have 4 beautiful young girls are working today, young fun Ivy 30โ€™s with big buttocks open mind and Young cute Jessy slime 30โ€™s open mind, pretty Summer and sexy Coco are providing deep tissue and sensual massage, pls call 416-3985777 book appointment and walk in aways welcome, back entrance and parking available, 350 Wilson Ave North York
  49. Lulu1980:
    Phoenix blossom Spa โ™จ๏ธโ™จ๏ธโ™จ๏ธtable shower ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘Body scrub ๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน5124 Dundas W Etobicokeโ˜Ž๏ธ416-817-3366New girl Luna joined. She can provide very good massage and sexy touch. She knows how to take instruction and please a man๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘Jessica๐Ÿ˜˜ can provide deep Thai massage. Earlobe kiss๐Ÿ’‹She looks like an ordinary girl but has a round and beautiful ass. The hot body slide is her unique asset to attract men๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ˜œ๐Ÿ˜œ๐Ÿ˜œCome see her today. Feel free to walk in or make an appointment at any time. There is plenty
  50. SugarLoveSpa:
    : Saturday at โค๏ธ๐Ÿ’™ ๐Ÿ’œโŽ๐—ฆ๐—จ๐—š๐—”๐—ฅ ๐—Ÿ๐—ข๐—ฉ๐—˜ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”โŽ ๐Ÿ’–๐Ÿ’—๐Ÿ’˜: CHERRY, LUNA & TIFFANY. 1270 Finch Ave W (at Keele St), Unit 18. North York, ON โ˜Ž ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฑ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด โ˜Ž CHERRY is a young, slim, friendly and absolutely gorgeous Vietnamese beauty, 49 Kgs with Bounteous D Cups. Real pics, unreal services! BBBJ, shower together, full menu. LUNA is a slim, VERY PETITE and capable Vietnamese beauty nice natural 34C Cups.
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