acupressure points in head - contraindication?

[Pompal 09.]

any for pregnant women that should be avoided? a client wants to know
thanks in advance
amanda

 

[Pokemon Fan]

Head, no. Middle, top of the shoulder is a gallbladder point. Deep needling is C/I for pregnancy. While there are a few points that are avoided during pregnancy, it is highly unlikely that any kind of massage could cause detrimental harm to the mother or child during pregnancy. The acupoint contraindications are for needling, and the depth/stimulation needed to activate these points enough to cause contractions or other labor symptoms are unlikely to be achieved during massage unless prolonged, forceful attention was applied to the precise location.

Always better safe than sorry, though. Thus: GB21, mid top of the shoulder, 1/2 way between A/C joint and Neck/Shoulder junction. LI4, in the web between thumb and index finger, and Sp6, about a hand width (patient's hand,) from medial malleolus.

Other than that, there are a few (very few) texts that claim prolonged attention on CV points, (midline of the front of the body, ending at the bottom lip,) may have some effect on pregnancy and labor, but I've never read anything definitive, or heard anyone I trust mention this C/I.

Hope that helps.

 

[Adulthood]

do you have any clue how hard you rock?

thanks a ton!
amanda

 

[Dianne]

and Sp6, about a hand width (patient's hand,) from medial malleolus.

Will you clarify that for me?

Is that hand width superior to the medial malleolus? Or posterior (towards the heel)? Right now it isn't making sense, I am sleeeeeeepy!

 

[Pompal 09.]

I don't think you could get a hand width below the med. mal. without running out of foot. : You MUST be tired!

Yes, a hand width above the medial malleolus, hand width is the four fingers together, placed at the top of the medial mal. Point will be on the medial side of the leg, as you slide off the tibia.

Here ya go. I did it fast, so it's not exact, but it's the approximate location, plus demonstrates "hand width."

btw, the point is often quite tender on women, so when you hit it, you'll know!

Stacey

 

[dkomarovska]

Beautiful!!

I don't think you could get a hand width below the med. mal. without running out of foot. : You MUST be tired!

Indeed, I am! But I also thought maybe you meant thumb width, for some reason I have stuck in my head that there is a point (not to press) between m. malleolus and heel......and yes, there is not enough ankle for hand width, unless you have an odd foot perhaps.

Thanks for that picture to clarify you did mean hand and even drawing on your leg! What a trooper!

Good night! t039 t002


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yes, there is a point (not to press) between m. malleolus and heel - uterine point in reflexlogogy.

In much of the pregnancy training I have done the triple heater (I think it's called that) down the middle of the top of the head it contr-indicated, been a while, can't remember why exactly, just know avoid it, it's wasn't avoided for uterine contraction reasons, I think it was just moving too much in general? Meridians were not my strong point.

And there's the point on the outside of the nail of the little toe, but considering how much work is done in that area usually it's not much of a problem to avoid it.

There was a wonderful post that listed all of this stuff ages ago that when the poster went and left the board deleted the post I think there are 24 forbidden points during pregnancy http://www.chiroweb.com/archives/18/10/01.html seems a comprehensive list, and is repeated on a few official looking web sites, mentions LI4, CV4, CV11, ST25, SP2, SP6, BL60, BL67, GB21, TH 19 gets a mention for bleeding. On the 3rd page of http://www.medical-acupuncture.co.uk/journal/2003(1-2)/36.pdf it lists quite a few too. That's just the first few results in Google, also found a workshop for "Patented Forbidden Pregnancy Points Systemâ„¢ developed by Jeanne Blum" sounds like a new name for an old system see http://www.womanhealthyself.com

yes, there is a point (not to press) between m. malleolus and heel - uterine point in reflexlogogy.

In much of the pregnancy training I have done the triple heater (I think it's called that) down the middle of the top of the head it contr-indicated, been a while, can't remember why exactly, just know avoid it, it's wasn't avoided for uterine contraction reasons, I think it was just moving too much in general? Meridians were not my strong point.

And there's the point on the outside of the nail of the little toe, but considering how much work is done in that area usually it's not much of a problem to avoid it.

There was a wonderful post that listed all of this stuff ages ago that when the poster went and left the board deleted the post :( I think there are 24 forbidden points during pregnancy http://www.chiroweb.com/archives/18/10/01.html seems a comprehensive list, and is repeated on a few official looking web sites, mentions LI4, CV4, CV11, ST25, SP2, SP6, BL60, BL67, GB21, TH 19 gets a mention for bleeding. On the 3rd page of http://www.medical-acupuncture.co.uk/journal/2003(1-2)/36.pdf it lists quite a few too. That's just the first few results in Google, also found a workshop for "Patented Forbidden Pregnancy Points Systemâ„¢ developed by Jeanne Blum" sounds like a new name for an old system see http://www.womanhealthyself.com











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akb






 
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Beautiful!!

BreatheBodywork wrote:I don't think you could get a hand width below the med. mal. without running out of foot. You MUST be tired!

Indeed, I am! But I also thought maybe you meant thumb width, for some reason I have stuck in my head that there is a point (not to press) between m. malleolus and heel......and yes, there is not enough ankle for hand width, unless you have an odd foot perhaps.

Thanks for that picture to clarify you did mean hand and even drawing on your leg! What a trooper!

Good night!

Beautiful!!

[quote="BreatheBodywork"]I don't think you could get a hand width below the med. mal. without running out of foot. :lol: You MUST be tired![/quote]

Indeed, I am! But I also thought maybe you meant thumb width, for some reason I have stuck in my head that there is a point (not to press) between m. malleolus and heel......and yes, there [b]is not[/b] enough ankle for hand width, unless you have an odd foot perhaps.

Thanks for that picture to clarify you did mean hand and even drawing on your leg! What a trooper!

Good night! :smt039 :smt002











Posted: Fri Jun 16, 2006 7:27 pm














Breathe






 
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I don't think you could get a hand width below the med. mal. without running out of foot. You MUST be tired!

Yes, a hand width above the medial malleolus, hand width is the four fingers together, placed at the top of the medial mal. Point will be on the medial side of the leg, as you slide off the tibia.

Here ya go. I did it fast, so it's not exact, but it's the approximate location, plus demonstrates "hand width."

btw, the point is often quite tender on women, so when you hit it, you'll know!

Stacey



I don't think you could get a hand width below the med. mal. without running out of foot. :lol: You MUST be tired!

Yes, a hand width above the medial malleolus, hand width is the four fingers together, placed at the top of the medial mal. Point will be on the medial side of the leg, as you slide off the tibia.

Here ya go. I did it fast, so it's not exact, but it's the approximate location, plus demonstrates "hand width."

btw, the point is often quite tender on women, so when you hit it, you'll know!

Stacey

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akb






 
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BreatheBodywork wrote:and Sp6, about a hand width (patient's hand,) from medial malleolus.

Will you clarify that for me?

Is that hand width superior to the medial malleolus? Or posterior (towards the heel)? Right now it isn't making sense, I am sleeeeeeepy!

and Sp6, about a hand width (patient's hand,) from medial malleolus.

Will you clarify that for me?

Is that hand width superior to the medial malleolus? Or posterior (towards the heel)? Right now it isn't making sense, I am sleeeeeeepy!











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makingachange






 
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do you have any clue how hard you rock?

thanks a ton!
amanda

do you have any clue how hard you rock?

thanks a ton!
amanda











Posted: Fri Jun 16, 2006 5:39 pm














Breathe






 
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Head, no. Middle, top of the shoulder is a gallbladder point. Deep needling is C/I for pregnancy. While there are a few points that are avoided during pregnancy, it is highly unlikely that any kind of massage could cause detrimental harm to the mother or child during pregnancy. The acupoint contraindications are for needling, and the depth/stimulation needed to activate these points enough to cause contractions or other labor symptoms are unlikely to be achieved during massage unless prolonged, forceful attention was applied to the precise location.

Always better safe than sorry, though. Thus: GB21, mid top of the shoulder, 1/2 way between A/C joint and Neck/Shoulder junction. LI4, in the web between thumb and index finger, and Sp6, about a hand width (patient's hand,) from medial malleolus.

Other than that, there are a few (very few) texts that claim prolonged attention on CV points, (midline of the front of the body, ending at the bottom lip,) may have some effect on pregnancy and labor, but I've never read anything definitive, or heard anyone I trust mention this C/I.

Hope that helps.

Head, no. Middle, top of the shoulder is a gallbladder point. Deep needling is C/I for pregnancy. While there are a few points that are avoided during pregnancy, it is highly unlikely that any kind of massage could cause detrimental harm to the mother or child during pregnancy. The acupoint contraindications are for needling, and the depth/stimulation needed to activate these points enough to cause contractions or other labor symptoms are unlikely to be achieved during massage unless prolonged, forceful attention was applied to the precise location.

Always better safe than sorry, though. Thus: GB21, mid top of the shoulder, 1/2 way between A/C joint and Neck/Shoulder junction. LI4, in the web between thumb and index finger, and Sp6, about a hand width (patient's hand,) from medial malleolus.

Other than that, there are a few (very few) texts that claim prolonged attention on CV points, (midline of the front of the body, ending at the bottom lip,) may have some effect on pregnancy and labor, but I've never read anything definitive, or heard anyone I trust mention this C/I.

Hope that helps.











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any for pregnant women that should be avoided? a client wants to know
thanks in advance
amanda

any for pregnant women that should be avoided? a client wants to know
thanks in advance
amanda











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[Pompal 09.]

yes, there is a point (not to press) between m. malleolus and heel - uterine point in reflexlogogy.

In much of the pregnancy training I have done the triple heater (I think it's called that) down the middle of the top of the head it contr-indicated, been a while, can't remember why exactly, just know avoid it, it's wasn't avoided for uterine contraction reasons, I think it was just moving too much in general? Meridians were not my strong point.

And there's the point on the outside of the nail of the little toe, but considering how much work is done in that area usually it's not much of a problem to avoid it.

There was a wonderful post that listed all of this stuff ages ago that when the poster went and left the board deleted the post I think there are 24 forbidden points during pregnancy http://www.chiroweb.com/archives/18/10/01.html seems a comprehensive list, and is repeated on a few official looking web sites, mentions LI4, CV4, CV11, ST25, SP2, SP6, BL60, BL67, GB21, TH 19 gets a mention for bleeding. On the 3rd page of http://www.medical-acupuncture.co.uk/journal/2003(1-2)/36.pdf it lists quite a few too. That's just the first few results in Google, also found a workshop for "Patented Forbidden Pregnancy Points System™ developed by Jeanne Blum" sounds like a new name for an old system see http://www.womanhealthyself.com